edzes
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| I'm sorry Mark, I just think there was a reason why this topic was closed. |
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Kevin Zhan
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remove the stickys on the closed topics. thats getting annoying
Take Care 
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Szartd
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There are alot of things hat can be improved or can get attention .
reviews
- We need to do something about the reviews , there are alot of reviews that aren't really a review , but nothing more that a bunch off comments , we don't like to see "Ah yeah , great , this is awesome , here you have a 10" ...
There is almost no song that deserves higher then a 9 here on CTG , most of all tunes are below average , which is a 5 , so a "good" song needs to have a 6 , a great song a 7 or 8 , and a superb song needs a 9 ... it's what we called overrating .
Another thing about reviewing what really sucks is that if I report a bad review , it just gets ignored and I recieve a message that the review is good and there is no problem blah blah .... well I like to see an experienced person moderating the bad reviews reports , now it seems a bad review report for a trance song is handled by someone who doesn't know anythign about trance .....
It must be clear that a review is not just a comment from someone saying he or she likes the track and so on , it needs to be a detalied overview of the techniques the artist has used .... if you don't know how to handle that , setup a review guide and learn before you post crappy reviews that aren't removed because an unexperienced admin cannot see if it is a good or bad review.
Spamming on CTG
We gotta get rid of the childish behaviour , by opening topics like : "I am bored" "break a leg" "Whoa a new song" "Please check my new tune and give it a review" "Britney is horny" ...
We don't need that , talk about music and music production , if a new version of renise is released , then share opinions about your experience ,
if you don't know how to do a proper master , ask it .
If you played some ctg songs somewhere , mention it .
If you need to know something about your software , ask it ,
discuss it .... let's have fun , and discuss these things and talk about music .
Now the forum is a piece of crap with not even 3 interesting topics.
Come on guys can't we do better then that ?
Just add some news , surf the net , share the news , post the news ....
CTG needs to be promoted by members/artists to get CTG interested by non-producers
In order to get your music heard it needs to be promoted by people who aren't music producers , why ? In this way we get new people on the forums , chat and on CTG .
Now everything gets reviewed by artists .
FOr example , Szartd releases a song , and Xeegee downloads it , what is the use of that ? I know Xeegee allready , but I rather like to have mr . X from Japan listen my tune , and get some comments that he likes it .
No what happens now ? People come to CTG , see only the same persons active all the time , see the silly non music related topics , see the pointless express yourself messages , see the useless and also dead links ....
they are simply not interested in diggin' into CTG .
IF there was less crap a more pro approach , and a nice feeling on this site , IF people don't spam for their lives just to let fellow artists listen the songs. IF people should help link CTG everywere up they can . IF people just shut their mouth if they have nothign to say ... .. THEN MAYBE CTG get's interesting for every person , it will be a music community , with music news , music thoughs and a music attitude ...
SOme experienced people need to stand up and moderate CTG : gather a staff
CTG really needs a staff , the staff can login on their own forums , and can discuss everythign with each other , share ideas , opinions ....
The most important thing is that it need to be sceners with experience , people from the old days ... not people that are new on CTG or if CTG is the first community site for them. It needs to be moderated with care , but also with attitude .
IF a person keeps on flaming on CTG , just send an email and f he doesn't stop , BAN or ignore him . IF someone keeps on writing crappy reviews and doesn't answer or followong any advice , ban him for reviewing . Yes it distroys the freedom on CTG , but it also makes people think twice before they just fill another bunch of crappy posts or reviews .
The old sceners need to stand up in my opinion .
Be clear about hings , Who the hell is the admin ?
Some people don't even know who the hell the admin is here , again gather a nice staff , make a list with people handling what .
Ace is the admin , bit who is moderating or handlign what ...
Things need to be clear , things needs to be updated , the CTG radio upload server adress is still in the FAQ , why ?
The pop up is still saying www.cutetrancegirls.com while it is www,ctgmusic.com
Let's work together and keep things updated , keep links alive , remove them when they become bad .
If a experienced scener say something , don't flame him ....
People can better think twice and use or not use any information from an experienced scener , instead of flaming him .... I am not talking about myself now , but this is an example from the old topic :
doriath wrote:
You see? This is a damn pointless topic.
CTG sucks? CTG is a community, for god's sake...
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YES!!! A music community , not a kindergarden
You mean ctg sucks? Did you suggest anything in the past? Something specific? NO
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I started the site with ace , we thought and shared every opinion about the site , alot of ideas for functions that are available came from me , and also alot came from ace ..... so now you suggest I never suggest anything ? Think again !
Whatever you see here and disparage here, is a hard work of one man, Acecream. Recently a few member here joined to help him with ideas. You don't even have any idea how much time we spend to move this site to somewhere, to give more tools for as artists, to have some fun.
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actually I know it very good , even better then you ....
Remember one thing. Ace and we create a system for this community. We cannot and we will not influence the behavior of the members here. The community should do it.
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Wrong , people must be handled , warned , people must be teached! Doing absolutely nothing will create a big mass !
CTG needs some anti flame stuff or anything , if someone keeps on flaming in topics , just ban him fo a while ...
For example : IF I can flame and someone else cannot flame , a discussion will be handled like it supposted to be , because if someoen flames they will get kicked 
What will CTG bring us if we really get serious here ?
CTG will attract the old guys , the experienced ones .
CTG will stand for quality music , now CTG has got only a few nice tracks to offer , the rest is most of the time below average !!!
IT will get us normal visitors , so your music will be heard by normal people , in fact all people will listen it !
Maybe we will get normal people on the forums instead of just a few that are always there talking crap !
CTG will be a nice music community like it supposed to be !
Just look at the charts right now .... the trance charts for example , really dudes , it is all a big laugh .... there are so many things that can be handled much and much better !
JUST CUT THE CRAP ! AND GET CTG TO A LEVEL WHERE IT BELONGS !
Hehe , actually I can talk alot more like this and give more examples , but I guess you all get my point now !
www.szartd-trancejax.com |
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Gopher
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Nice one, a structured argument. :o)
Mark, you're talking about this place like it's a job; maximum professionalism, no dumb crap, but at the same time we both know this isn't going to happen easily or quickly. You say it isn't a Kindergarten - very true. However you gotta remember that a lot of people probably are a only few years past that ;o)
That said, I agree that greater moderation is needed, so that any dumb "dancing banana" posts can be squashed PDQ. (You could just remove it from the smiley panel you know).
The crux of the matter is, there is very little wrong with the site and it's structure. Sure, we could do better by tightening and tweaking the review system, getting together a group of staff like, in the old TiS days, were on hand more often than not to keep a check on things and make sure it works.
However, it's the users, the human equation that is screwing everything up. You guys can have fun, sure, but you gotta know when to be dumb and when to act serious.
So, best behaviour people. Please?
-Gopher
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MatthijsB
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 to mark and gopher...
glad to see some people are still able to think straight  |
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Chris Edberg
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Registered: 04.Aug.03 |
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Mark
Finally, this is what I'm talking about - arguments with sense, performed in a nice structure and with suggestions of how to improve. This should have been your first post in this topic - which also should have another title. 
And while I agree with you on about everything, I will follow up on your ideas and speculate a bit.
Even if I think the current system work nice, I have to say that you're totally right - when reviewing, things should be explained carefully, on all the aspects. But even if we have a review guide, I dont think it will be followed so carefully by everyone, unfortunately. We've discussed this before a couple of times on the site, but what would be nice if every song had a "official reviews" (reviewed by some special "reviewing staff" *) and "public reviews" (or "quick ratings", by everyone)...
* Reviewing staff could be a group of people that has patient (to write much etc), talent (of expressing) and a good taste of music  People can try to join this force, and judges will see if he is eligable after some tests.
Official reviews still can be reported as a bad review, if it isn't good enough to be an official review - presumed that the one who reported didn't agreed with the number itself, but the content wasn't as good and helpful as it should be.
And one more important thing, you mentioned it: the "relativeness" of the numbers. "6 - Nice" and "7 - Good" is not enough explained... This is more important in official reviews.
On charts etc, we can see the official rating and the public rating.
There can be charts like "The Official Best Songs", "The Best Songs - According To The Public" etc, etc, etc...
This speculations are very similiar to the system on the Trax in Space site, which I thought worked fairly well in its best days. But songs were actually even more overrated back then I think, than songs are here.
I agree again, I don't really like the "self-promoted" topics when a new song is online etc... Still I think, a some kind of chat is important. Naturally, people get closer to each other on sites like this... Music is personal after all. And in that chat forum the topics wont be on Latest 25 Topics etc... So only those who feels a need of expressing himself in a childish way, there is the way to go!
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CTG needs to be promoted by members/artists to get CTG interested by non-producers |
I have nothing to add here, I agree 100% !
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SOme experienced people need to stand up and moderate CTG : gather a staff |
This was probably one of your best ideas.
And... Like I speculated under reviews, this staff could make official reviews. But we need staff on everything, on the forums, etc...
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Be clear about hings , Who the hell is the admin ? |
I thought it was Acecream.
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If a experienced scener say something , don't flame him .... |
Yeah, very true.
Remember one thing. Ace and we create a system for this community. We cannot and we will not influence the behavior of the members here. The community should do it.
Wrong , people must be handled , warned , people must be teached! Doing absolutely nothing will create a big mass ! |
I think you both are right... For the first, Acecream is not responsible or is the cause if people acting childish and open topics about Britney Spears. But for the second, Mark is right, we can always try to do something about this. But no matter what we do, it wont work 100% perfect... I mean, just look at the world, crimes will never stop.
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What will CTG bring us if we really get serious here ? |
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JUST CUT THE CRAP ! AND GET CTG TO A LEVEL WHERE IT BELONGS ! |
Yeah I have to admit that you're totally right about this... The question only became HOW
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JUST CUT THE CRAP ! AND GET CTG TO A LEVEL WHERE IT BELONGS ! |
After all I dont think everyone here are full of shit, there are a lot of nice guys here. But, yeah, also a lot of childish...
However... I think I can agree with you on everything. But even if you give small indications of how to improve, it is still not the easiest thing to do. To make all this work in reality, it takes a lot of time and patience. |
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Chris Edberg
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Registered: 04.Aug.03 |
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That said, I agree that greater moderation is needed, so that any dumb "dancing banana" posts can be squashed PDQ. (You could just remove it from the smiley panel you know). |
Nooooooooooooooooooo! The day the dancing banana disappears from the smiley panel, I do as well.
Otherwise I agree with you |
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Szartd
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It doesn't take very long time , there just need to be people who will actually sart doing something .
I know ace likes the site as it is , and he is more of the coding site and develop ideas ... but we just need to know who whants CTG to be like I explained ?
SHould we let it stay as it is , should we make somethign nice of it ?
We need some opinions about that first , I think if people like MatthijsB , Ace , Me , Rave-N , Randor and more will be nice to each other , and start working on making this site better , it would be 100% better ...
In my opinion CTG is just below it's level .
So who want to be in the staff ?
We can make a staff of multiple experienced people , so there isn't 1 admin , but like 10
Also , a no-unsulting rule can do great , if someone insults , he gets kicked for some period , even when it is an admin , in this way no-one will insult anyone on the forums .... even I cannot isult anyone then .
Anyway , come on guys , opinions please (not dancing bananas)
www.szartd-trancejax.com |
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Chris Edberg
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mark wrote on 08 Nov. (16:58) :
It doesn't take very long time , there just need to be people who will actually sart doing something .
I know ace likes the site as it is , and he is more of the coding site and develop ideas ... but we just need to know who whants CTG to be like I explained ?
SHould we let it stay as it is , should we make somethign nice of it ?
We need some opinions about that first , I think if people like MatthijsB , Ace , Me , Rave-N , Randor and more will be nice to each other , and start working on making this site better , it would be 100% better ...
In my opinion CTG is just below it's level .
So who want to be in the staff ?
We can make a staff of multiple experienced people , so there isn't 1 admin , but like 10
Also , a no-unsulting rule can do great , if someone insults , he gets kicked for some period , even when it is an admin , in this way no-one will insult anyone on the forums .... even I cannot isult anyone then .
Anyway , come on guys , opinions please (not dancing bananas)
www.szartd-trancejax.com |
I agree again...
But...
Ace is the (only) one who can change this site, and I know as well that he is happy with the site as it is. I am too, but I think you're right about that all this can improve.
It also depens of what we mean by "long/short" time... Long time = 1 year? Short time = 3 weeks? Two hours?
Yeah I want to be with the Staff The Reviewing Staff at least... But it seems I'm the only one who think that this idea might work. What do you think Mark? |
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obScene
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Registered: 08.Aug.03 |
Mark I think it is way too late for your dream for CTG now. We're in too deep. Things are actually very comfortable for everyone here and we are all having fun and writing music. All is well IMO.
I think what you should have done is allowed members to join "by application only"... making them submit info, tracks, etc. Make them follow the rules or be booted from the site. Its gonna be hard convincing people to stop having fun and start working hard.
And I'm not talking about anybody specifically... I am probably #1 suspect. I love CTG. It's fun as hell. |
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