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geniewiz
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Okay the first thing I wanted to point out about this genre is that it is very repetitive. Much like house, but house mostly has repetitive vocals, this has a repetitive beat. Download any of the professional rap or hip hop beats, or download the hip hop songs and notice the beats, you'll see how repetitive it is. This is especially true if it's a Battle Beat (ie: Royce Da 5'9 and some of Eminem's beats).
That's what I wanted to clarify, a lot of people in CTG, and also some from other archives always add in that a track is very repetitive when it comes to the hip hop genre, and they tell me to change the beat. But if I change the beat, throughout the track, it's not a hip hop beat anymore. I'm just tryina stick to the rules and I'm not the ones who made it up.
So I just wanted to let y'all know about this.
Just in case you don't believe me, go on Kazaa, download some Tupac Shakur, or Dr. Dre track and try to get the instrumental version. Or just download the track and pay attention to only the beat, you'll see my point!
peAce!
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a98
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yeah well do you have vocals in your songs?
since without them it's fucking repeatitive and prosongs aren't instrumental 
anyway and just to make you sure, review isn't suppose to be objective or the one and only opinnion, it's an reviewers opinnion, for example if a reviewer doesn't like house music then he doesn't review it as 10/10 even though it would be the best damn house track ever.. if he still doesn't like it..
<- stupid indian tribe
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geniewiz
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Well here's the thing, I did have vocals in some of my songs and in others I didn't. The ones I didn't have them in, it was a rap beat (intended for others who can rap and will rap over it), so I guess I really don't have a choice but making it repetitive in that case.
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Chris Edberg
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geniewiz wrote on 17 Nov. (19:31) :
Okay the first thing I wanted to point out about this genre is that it is very repetitive. Much like house, but house mostly has repetitive vocals, this has a repetitive beat. Download any of the professional rap or hip hop beats, or download the hip hop songs and notice the beats, you'll see how repetitive it is. This is especially true if it's a Battle Beat (ie: Royce Da 5'9 and some of Eminem's beats).
That's what I wanted to clarify, a lot of people in CTG, and also some from other archives always add in that a track is very repetitive when it comes to the hip hop genre, and they tell me to change the beat. But if I change the beat, throughout the track, it's not a hip hop beat anymore. I'm just tryina stick to the rules and I'm not the ones who made it up.
So I just wanted to let y'all know about this.
Just in case you don't believe me, go on Kazaa, download some Tupac Shakur, or Dr. Dre track and try to get the instrumental version. Or just download the track and pay attention to only the beat, you'll see my point!
peAce!
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I dont really get your point. Just because it exist really bad (but famous) songs that is similiar to songs here on CTG, that of some reason has got its own genre as an excuse, doesn't mean that they will get high ratings. No offence 
Repetative beats makes a track boring, variation is more interesting. But repetative beats can work if the rest is variating... It forces somehow the attention to the music, but... Unfortunately hiphop doesn't have variated music iether. 
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geniewiz
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See that's the thing right there, rap beats have some repetitiveness for it to be rap (except for the chorus of course). You're not really getting my point here. Tell you what, check these tracks out here:
http://genres.mp3.com/download_charts/hip_hop_rap/beats/
you'll get what I mean.
peAce!
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obScene
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Look, I am a true hater of both hiphop and rap. But I can give you this objective advice:
If you want people to have more appreciation for your music it will do no good to try to explain the reasons why in text. You can't tell people to overlook the bad traits of the music.. it will not change the way they percieve it. At the very most you can accomplish will be that one or two people may give you an extra '.5' and try not to mention the word "repetitive". You will do nothing to better the music, or alter the way that people hear it.
If you want to persuade people to like your music, you have to do it through the music. You can see yourself that the genres are repetitive in nature... so its your job to eliminate these problems becuase you arent going to convince me to enjoy them!
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Cooth
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obScene wrote on 18 Nov. (1:18) :
If you want to persuade people to like your music, you have to do it through the music. You can see yourself that the genres are repetitive in nature... so its your job to eliminate these problems becuase you arent going to convince me to enjoy them!
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This sort of attitude makes you end up doing stuff to please people, not to express yourself. When I make music, I'm not trying to make it good for others - I simply want to make it what I wanted it to be. If it's appreciated, that's just a sweet addition, like when somebody nods with understanding when you talk about your feelings.
I'd say... If they don't like the way I express myself... I don't force them to listen and comment. If they don't like rap - they don't have to download a rap track in the first place. Unless they are positive about the possibility to change the attitude towards this kind of art. |
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obScene
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Don't misunderstand... of course self expression is the key ingredient to good music... but we're talking about a different animal here... hiphop / rap. :>
No, seriously... I dont believe in completely changing your style to suit everyboby elses taste... but if you want people to enjoy your music ( I do! ) you have to be willing to learn and change at least a small degree. You dont want people to miss the point... to not hear all the little sweet things you spent much time on.... because they were getting annoyed by a repetitive bassline or awkward panning.
The simple truth is... nobody cares about a beautiful soaring melody when it is panned sharp left with no reverb and the bass is too loud! Its just the nature of the machine!
Personally, I have 5 (five!) albums (over 8 years) of music that I wrote for myself.. that I done my way with no compromising.... because I had nobody to listen! So I'm done with that! Ive expressed myself all I can! Now I am changing modes. I am learning to produce rather than create. It may sound cheap, commercial, whatever...but it's important if I want to ever reach the next level in my music. I want to make sweet sounds... rich basses... perfect sound quality... rich mixes... and then when I have all these things mastered... I can create something truly amazing and self-inspired while knowing that it will be acceptable by the masses. This is my vision.  |
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Cooth
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What you are talking about is the lack of experience/ability to achieve what you really want. I am talking about doing well, what you have in mind. What YOU have in mind.
For example, let's say you have great writing skills, lots of experience, amazing sense of rhythm and exceptional knowledge about grammar. Yet you write your book in a plain style, with simle grammar and broken rhythm. Your reader doesn't like this style, but you _want_ it to be like this. Your reader does not appreciate your way of writing, but it is the way you have consciously chosen - are you going to change it under the pressure of your reader?
By the way... sometimes it's really hard to catch that tiny thing. When you hear something in a song, you have to figure if that was intentional or caused by lack of experience/care. And if intentional - what the purpose was. It's not always easy. |
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Cooth
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obScene wrote on 18 Nov. (8:44) :
The simple truth is... nobody cares about a beautiful soaring melody when it is panned sharp left with no reverb and the bass is too loud! Its just the nature of the machine! |
Oh, about this line - that's all true. But tell me one thing: if your intention was to make a beautiful and touching melody, is sharp panning or excessive bass volume a part of your plan? No, those are mistakes. But if you have a goal in pumping up the bass volume to a horrible level - that's different. |
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