wiseman
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nonono 
Im not that strong! Cant join this discussion, haha 
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a98
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all this nonesence  you guys have written for about 100 post soon i said in my first post...
a review is the reviewers opinnion, if the reviewer doesn't like house, he doesn't rate a house track well even though it would be the best house track ever made, if he still doesn't like it...
some people here are totally ignorant and even a bit too much inside theirselves.. if one genre gets a lot of people to enjoy it, then it can't be shit, even though you think it is, maybe the problem is you.. you all should be as open minded as cooth is.. he doesn't like some forms of music, but he still gives them the credit they deserve..
and some words about hiphop...
i think hiphop songs express so much more than other music. all that gangsta hiphop doesn't express anything though, but other hiphop usually does have quite much of message in it... comparing to pop music or vocaltrance, it has damn lot...
and a word about skills..
when hiphop was founded by Kool Herc and Grandmaster Flash
they bought two copies of the same vinyl, and played the beat parts
with two turntables... so that when the beat part ends, they play it again from the another copy of the song, so that the beat would never stop..
also it was only later on when people startted rapping on it..
so that was back then, and anyone who has mixed songs knows that it's not that easy to make the another record start on the right time from the right part 
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Chris Edberg
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c98 wrote on 09 Dec. (14:52) :
all this nonesence you guys have written for about 100 post soon i said in my first post...
a review is the reviewers opinnion, if the reviewer doesn't like house, he doesn't rate a house track well even though it would be the best house track ever made, if he still doesn't like it...
some people here are totally ignorant and even a bit too much inside theirselves.. if one genre gets a lot of people to enjoy it, then it can't be shit, even though you think it is, maybe the problem is you.. you all should be as open minded as cooth is.. he doesn't like some forms of music, but he still gives them the credit they deserve..
and some words about hiphop...
i think hiphop songs express so much more than other music. all that gangsta hiphop doesn't express anything though, but other hiphop usually does have quite much of message in it... comparing to pop music or vocaltrance, it has damn lot...
and a word about skills..
when hiphop was founded by Kool Herc and Grandmaster Flash
they bought two copies of the same vinyl, and played the beat parts
with two turntables... so that when the beat part ends, they play it again from the another copy of the song, so that the beat would never stop..
also it was only later on when people startted rapping on it..
so that was back then, and anyone who has mixed songs knows that it's not that easy to make the another record start on the right time from the right part
..music comes from the heart and the mind.. |
I dont get the point, I am a problem??
I feel a bit offended... |
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a98
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Kricke wrote on 09 Dec. (15:23) :
I dont get the point, I am a problem??
I feel a bit offended... |
well i didn't point out to anyone, if you find yourself from the text, then you should think a bit...
if a one person doesn't like one style, but others do, does that make the style shit? i don't think so..
refering to obscene's "how can you compare art and hiphop"
..music comes from the heart and the mind.. |
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Cooth
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Thanks for kind words dude, but I still cannot accept this:
c98 wrote on 09 Dec. (14:52) :
a review is the reviewers opinnion, if the reviewer doesn't like house, he doesn't rate a house track well even though it would be the best house track ever made, if he still doesn't like it...
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If I don't like vodka, I drink beer instead of buying vodka and complaining about its taste. As simple as that...
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- Ja, Beierhund, die oder das, Flipperwaldt gersput!"
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Chris Edberg
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Cooth!
You seem to be getting it all wrong. Hiphop isn't there because it requires less work than classical. It's there because there is audience that enjoys it. There are people who like chiptunes and they won't say "this sounds awful, I hate it so I give it 10", they will say "It sounds amazing, I love it, 10!"
See the difference?
About the last point... no, it is not unfair. The classical guy could have devoted himself to beepnoise genre if he wanted, but it was his choice to hit the more sophisticated style and more demanding audience.
Still, it's all about rating within a certain range of styles, so I'll just repeat this:
An 8 for a hiphop song is not the same as an 8 for a classical song. 50 km/h is not the same as 50 kg.
Or even - 50km/h for a car is not the same as 50 km/h for an elevator. |
Ah, well ok I think you’re right. I have explained that hiphop maybe isn’t entirely as big as it seems to be, but I dont have the strength to discuss this anymore.
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A drummer has to be a talented drummer when he is to be a good soloist. In hiphop you have rather simple loops, but do you think it's not art to play advanced, complex rhythms on multiple percussion instruments? |
I’ve never claimed anything else.
My personal definition would be: the art of sound created with the purpose to give audial (is there such a word?  coz i just made it up) experience, usually with a certain rhythm and harmony.
This definition excludes, eg. radio auditions, because not the voice of the speaker is important, just the message he conveys. But it includes sung or spoken lyrics with a rhythm, because it is not made to give you information, just the listening experiece. It may be addressed to you and enjoyed by you even if you don't know the language.
Just an idea. May have a lot of holes, but it is something and it shows the way I look at it more or less. Still, the border is vague as I said. |
I dont see what you’re trying to say here. I blame my english, even though I feel a bit “finished” and tired.
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If you think a bit out of the box and assume that music != melody, you throw the "i really love the melodies" away and then the sentence will start to make sense. |
I’m sorry but I’m to dumb to understand this  |
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Chris Edberg
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Look, there are lots of people who don't like 70s disco, synth-pop, italo-disco and techno dance. There are people who simply don't like it, they prefer rock, metal, jazz or ... hiphop. Should they rate house tracks low just because they don't agree with this quote? I do not find simple 4/4 beat ultimate just because it is easy, catchy and popular.
I can agree that the masses will probably always like simple and catchy music, but it doesn't mean house is more ultimate than jazz, salsa, tango or anything that's gonna be invented in future. |
I didn't want to prove that it was the ultimate music... But we cant deny that it have been the most popular music since the 70's... However bah, I dont have the strenght I guess what we're talking about here is too big. |
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Cooth
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A.K.E (Kricke) wrote on 10 Dec. (10:14) :
Ah, well ok I think you’re right. I have explained that hiphop maybe isn’t entirely as big as it seems to be, but I dont have the strength to discuss this anymore.
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I don't understand what you mean by "big", but what I'm trying to prove, is that it doesn't matter. (assuming you mean what I think you mean)
I’ve never claimed anything else.
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I see, then I got you wrong about the drummer comment. The drummer may not be good at harmonics, hearing and recognising the pitch, he just needs good sense of rhythm.
But he can make percussion, non-melodic music well, and that would be music for me. Maybe more primitive, but music. Yeah, that depends on what you consider music and what not.
My personal definition would be: the art of sound created with the purpose to give audial (is there such a word? coz i just made it up) experience, usually with a certain rhythm and harmony.
This definition excludes, eg. radio auditions, because not the voice of the speaker is important, just the message he conveys. But it includes sung or spoken lyrics with a rhythm, because it is not made to give you information, just the listening experiece. It may be addressed to you and enjoyed by you even if you don't know the language.
Just an idea. May have a lot of holes, but it is something and it shows the way I look at it more or less. Still, the border is vague as I said. |
I dont see what you’re trying to say here. I blame my english, even though I feel a bit “finished” and tired.
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This was my response to your question: "How should we define the word “music” ?" My personal view.
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If you think a bit out of the box and assume that music != melody, you throw the "i really love the melodies" away and then the sentence will start to make sense. |
I’m sorry but I’m to dumb to understand this |
Or I'm too dumb to put it well... OK, since you say you're done with this, I won't go into deep explanations of my weird thinking process.
Simply, you wrote:
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Hehe... I guess so. But what can they really say if I say that this is just “music” with a sense of rhythm and message, not concentrated on the music itself? Would they say “Yes, it IS concentrated on music, I really love the melodies” (and there aren’t any melodies) ? |
and I replied, that music doesn't need to have a melody, so they can say "Yes, it IS concentrated on music, though it has no melodies".
"- Was is das Nuenstueck, git und Slotermeier?
- Ja, Beierhund, die oder das, Flipperwaldt gersput!"
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Cooth
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A.K.E (Kricke) wrote on 10 Dec. (10:18) :
I didn't want to prove that it was the ultimate music... But we cant deny that it have been the most popular music since the 70's... However bah, I dont have the strenght I guess what we're talking about here is too big. |
Yes it surely had, which doesn't mean future won't bring any changes.
...or stuff.
Heheheh... so, okay - then we officially close this discussion and everybody is so happy we're done at last?
"- Was is das Nuenstueck, git und Slotermeier?
- Ja, Beierhund, die oder das, Flipperwaldt gersput!"
(The Funniest Joke In The World, from "Monty Python's Flying Circus") |
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Chris Edberg
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Heheheh... so, okay - then we officially close this discussion and everybody is so happy we're done at last?
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Yeah ok, thanks for answers. We might be done for the moment, but maybe we get into a similiar discussion in the future.
Yes it surely had, which doesn't mean future won't bring any changes.
...or stuff. |
We'll see about that  |
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