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|  Bob Katz - The Secret to the Mastering Engineer [MUSIC] | |
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FeralCode
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Chris Edberg
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I just read the whole thing. I have to admit I didn't understand much, although I learned some new small things. But it was written in a smart way, and for advanced users and I cannot do much regarding mastering/mixing. Honestly I don't know the real difference, but it begins insteresting:
"Mastering requires an entirely different "head" than mixing. I once had an assistant who was a great mix engineer and who wanted to get into mastering. So I left her alone to equalize a rock album. After three hours, she was still working on the snare drum, which didn't have enough "crack"! But as soon as I walked in the room, I could hear something was wrong with the vocal. Which brings us to the first principle of mastering: every action affects everything. Even touching the low bass affects the perception of the extreme highs."
I continued to read all (about 20) pages but he didn't had any solutions of these problems. My answer to this problem is that it can't be solved, therefore you must master every track by itself, like you can do in Renoise. I actually dont see why or what you can do with a finished song in WAV format, more then just affecting everything after every action. |
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obScene
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I agree. I am completely lost when it comes to mastering/mixing.... the best I know to do is hard limit... maximize... then EQ (maybe I should do it a different order?) and beyond this I dont really get it. Although I have read and read tutorial after tutorial I just cant seem to hear the problem and usually dont find out until they are pointed out in reviews.
I think I would maybe pay ( not a lot  ) someone to master tracks for me. Is there anyone on CTG that would want to maybe start a "business" mastering tracks for CTGer's ?? |
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Chris Edberg
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Registered: 04.Aug.03 |
obScene wrote on 26 Nov. (19:42) :
I agree. I am completely lost when it comes to mastering/mixing.... the best I know to do is hard limit... maximize... then EQ (maybe I should do it a different order?) and beyond this I dont really get it. Although I have read and read tutorial after tutorial I just cant seem to hear the problem and usually dont find out until they are pointed out in reviews.
I think I would maybe pay ( not a lot ) someone to master tracks for me. Is there anyone on CTG that would want to maybe start a "business" mastering tracks for CTGer's ?? |
Yeah I'm as confused as you, only more  |
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Nygen Dale
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Registered: 21.Jun.03 |
Mastering and mixing, my ultimate flaws. When I compare the trance tracks I'm doing lately and compare them to professional artists, the first thing I recognize is the way the instruments/samples are made to match and harmonize and the second is just the overall sound quality. These articles are nice but the problem is that this is an issue you can only work on with your ears. And it's hard to write an article on what you're supposed to hear when you master/mix. So I think that's just something you have to "train your ears" for. Some people just hear that, for example everything sounds messed up b/c of the lead synth that has too little high frequencies...
So for me the question "What the hell is Sash! doing different from me?" hasn't been completely answered yet
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DDspeed
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Registered: 07.Jun.03 |
obScene wrote on 26 Nov. (19:42) :
the best I know to do is hard limit... maximize... then EQ (maybe I should do it a different order?) |
Try to EQ before limitting. (Limitting is preventing the signal of clipping, so if you limit the signal and then you e.g. boost the bass - it can clip)
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Randor
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Registered: 27.Dec.02 |
Hehe, I saved whole thing and gonna browse it later with some jargon buster glossary  But I still have problems not solved by this article: 'you need and good loudspeakers...' I have only those near-filed monitors....
Nah, serioulsy it opened something to me, especially talking about multiband compression and general equalizing 
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Szartd
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Registered: 27.Dec.02 |
There is just 1 good way to master a song :
Save every channel/track into a wav file , load all wavs in a software like acid pro , soundforge or cool edit .
Edit every channel , by equalizing , compressing/limiting , add reverb , add delay .... or any other effects you desire , be sure that all volumes are ok .
Save everything into 1 wav again , do equalizing on this final wav , some compressing limiting if needed , and youre done .
If you start to think , it all comes down to doing it like this .
Pro dudes have large mixers , we have mixers on our pc , pro dudes have hardware , we have vsti 's ... and DX plugins ....
It is wrong to save a wav straight out of your composing software , equalize a bit and do compressing ... it needs alot more then that to get the PRO sound .
Just think about it before replying it's not true , because it is !
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Randor
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Registered: 27.Dec.02 |
This is the best way, especially when you have a low-powered cpu and soundcard without asio support. Negative side is you don't actually hear what you are doing until multichannel mixing process. Todays soft studios like Reason and Fruity offer good tools to do mixing on fly, if you got enough calculating power. it's also quite easy ( I suppose) on newer trackers like Renoise and Sc@le, with the full vst support, but again you need powerful processor, lot of fast ram and good soundcard.
But the article itself didn't concern to techniques, more like general principes of mastering. What and when and point out on every turn that you must use your EARS!! 
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virgill
Artist
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Replies: 254
Registered: 11.Feb.03 |
If you want to, I can master your tracks for free
obScene wrote on 26 Nov. (19:42) :
I agree. I am completely lost when it comes to mastering/mixing.... the best I know to do is hard limit... maximize... then EQ (maybe I should do it a different order?) and beyond this I dont really get it. Although I have read and read tutorial after tutorial I just cant seem to hear the problem and usually dont find out until they are pointed out in reviews.
I think I would maybe pay ( not a lot ) someone to master tracks for me. Is there anyone on CTG that would want to maybe start a "business" mastering tracks for CTGer's ?? |
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