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HomesickAlien
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Topics: 16
Replies: 391
Registered: 17.Apr.03 |
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Just a thought here:
I've never had a review in my days at TiS, UTSB, di.fm, RC or here... where the actual number that someone gave me aided me in any way shape or form.
I fully understand that there are those that find a summary number useful... but I don't. So instead I ask that people send me comments and not review my songs, I don't need the chart position, etc. that goes with receiving a review so why should I want a review as opposed to a comment?
I see the need for one or the other since not everyone has a T3 connection and can download an entire archive to search out the songs they want. So comments are helpful in that respect, because they save time for the listener.
Recently I placed a song on here that I've since removed because someone reviewed it despite my request in the song description that it not be reviewed. They even went so far as to say "that's the way things go around here." (to paraphrase)
I don't know, I guess I'm just a little shocked and hurt that someone would go against my wishes on this. Maybe I'm alone in this - but I don't make music to receive a score or value on it. I make music because I love to (and occasionally for profit.) I show the music to others in order to see what they think about it, not because I want my music to be paraded around and honored as a "10" or mocked as a "2" or something.
Anyhow, I guess I'm not really going anywhere with this... just stating my overall frustration and maybe calling for an option to disallow reviews on songs. |
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RAVE-n
 Artist
Topics: 22
Replies: 1077
Registered: 28.Dec.02 |
HomesickAlien wrote on 27 Dec. (20:44) :
calling for an option to disallow reviews on songs. |
Hm.... seems like a reasonable idea for me. I actualy CAN understand
that sometimes artist just don't want to be put into a 1-10 scale
( like previews, joke songs, tryouts or simply a wish not to )
I agree that if author EXPLICITELY WISH his song not to be rated,
it shouldn't be then.
"The 'soul' of the machines has always been a part of our music. Trance always belongs to repetition, and everybody is looking for trance in life... in sex, in the emotional, in pleasure, in anything... so, the machines produce an absolutely perfect trance."
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AR81
Artist
Topics: 1
Replies: 19
Registered: 10.Nov.03 |
I wouldn't care about a rating.
How can you rate art?
How could an arts professor put a low grade on his student?
Except if he didn't play the music he was to play to get the grade, the student should pass the test.
But how do you do that if the musician makes an unrequested tune (unlike the student)?
Ratings are subjective.
However, it helps me to know what people think and as I express myself with music, people has the right to rate it.
If someone took some time to provide feedback and to rate, how will you censor him? |
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acecream
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Topics: 391
Replies: 3361
Registered: 27.Dec.02 |
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I can totaly understand that your personal wishes when you put up a song is not too see it on charts or to get numbers for it. You simply seek for feedback.
But the thing is that some people prefer writing a review couse it "means" more so now you are asking them to beside a feedback they should also give it in a shape you want it..so this is quite alot and to much for someone to ask. So in such cases people can decide not to give you feedback or as happened in your case to intentionaly give you a feedback as a review. But also you have to understand not everyone will check your song info so they would not be aware of your wishes.
Ok actualy it is hard to really get into this since i can understand your point of view as much as i would want ... i mean if you get a review this is just as comment only that it has a number attached but if number doesnt mean much to you, you should not be bothered by it and same things with charts which are made for visitors who can hopefuly find some fine songs there.
But if you do not want others to see your song on charts or being rated is another story and which do not go well along with whole site perspective since the point of reviews is not just that people get feedback but also for people to find music easily and reviews does exactly that. So i dont think the idea of disable review option for songs is good since many things in system would fail then (non reviewed songs, charts, reviewers of the week...) since on one side we would encourage people to do more reviews and on the other side they would be limited by artists disabling reviews for their songs. |
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HomesickAlien
Member
Topics: 16
Replies: 391
Registered: 17.Apr.03 |
AR81 wrote on 27 Dec. (22:21) :
However, it helps me to know what people think and as I express myself with music, people has the right to rate it.
If someone took some time to provide feedback and to rate, how will you censor him? |
I have no problems with providing feedback and I wouldn't hope to censor that at all. The comments serve that purpose well in my opinion and perhaps better than the review with the number since it eliminates the subjectivity to some extent. The comments allow for things to be brought to the artist's and listener's attention just the same as the review but eliminate the fact that a "9" for me means something different than a "9" to you. It brings things down to a base level. |
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HomesickAlien
Member
Topics: 16
Replies: 391
Registered: 17.Apr.03 |
In response to ace:
Why should it be bothersome that people would not find my music easily if I were uncharted and unreviewed? I'm not trying to eliminate all reviews and destroy that aspect of ctg. I'm simply asking for an option out.
There will still be plenty of artists who kept their songs reviewable because it's important for some people to get that number so the reviewer of the week would not be put in jeopardy at all.
Perhaps I should not be bothered by the number... maybe I'm crazy. But the idea that music can be tiered off into a simple numeric system just bugs me to no end.
All I'm asking for is criticism when I put a song up here... not a representation of the merit of the music. Not a chart that helps a few people find my song. Not extra promotion to have more people download my music. I just want the feedback, throw the rest of it away. |
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DDspeed
Artist
Topics: 24
Replies: 4892
Registered: 07.Jun.03 |
I don't see a problem, Ace. It's the artist's decision, when he makes his/her song more difficult to find. Personally I search for feedback as well as promotion, so I won't disable reviews in my song. Though maybe someday I would like to release my old chip joke song here and I wouldn't like people to rate it. I suggest making an option to disable the rates, rather than reviews. So people could still review the song, but it wouldn't have the numeric rate, so no position on charts, no promotion, but reviewers could still do their job. An artist would decide wether he wants the promotion and feedback or only feedback.  Everyone would be happy than.
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Analysis
Artist
Topics: 72
Replies: 6282
Registered: 16.Mar.03 |
I agree with Homesick. I personnaly would never use this option, since I don;t mind about ratings and charts. Sometime a rating can give extra idea's about the reveiw though. I have seen that reviews with an 8 are generally more negative then reviews with a 6. This would am advantage to reviewers with ratings, since they say something more then the review does.
Anywayz, if do want you song here, but you don't want your song to part of the site.. It's a little weird, but I can't say that he may not do that. That's why I believe that he should have this option. Further more, I agree to AR81(or what his name was) that songs aren't properly rated anyway. Can't be done.
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Cooth
Member
Topics: 59
Replies: 3588
Registered: 02.Jan.03 |
I'll be advocating HSA's idea here. Because:
1) as said many times, art cannot be rated well with a number
2) the main beauty of the site is not the charts or popularity, but sharing music, feedback, musician development, fun. If I agree to have my song kinda 'aside' from the main stream of events (reviews, ratings, charts etc), so be it. The system will work ok for the rest of the songs...
3) a number does NOT give a good picture for downloaders. Most "9"-"10" downloads are disappointments anyway.  And a 6-7 rated song is not as effective. The comments DO give the picture. Many times I think of a song very positive, I'd recommend it to anyone etc etc. But 7 is not as seducing for downloaders, yet I cannot give more points coz then it'd be overrating and messing things up even more.
4) numbers grow lots of conflicts as we can see.
When I have nothing smart to say, I make up silly signatures. |
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DDspeed
Artist
Topics: 24
Replies: 4892
Registered: 07.Jun.03 |
Yeah, but when reviewers are forced to write comments, they would just resign of giving any feedback. When one writes comments it doesn't give him any benefits. That's why I suggest giving an option to block the RATES not the reviews themselves.
Bad idea?
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