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a98 wrote on 03 Mar. (14:25) :
DX10 is very simple, and i think the sound is horrible.. |
I think just opposite. I love the sound of it, it can really generate great things... Just listen to my song "Infinite". Nobody complained about the sounds there, though there are two DX10s there.
FM sounds are something you can only do with FMsynth, make a song with FM sounds only and i guarantee no-one will say "this sounds reason" 
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But one can say: "This sounds FM." 
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a98 wrote on 03 Mar. (14:25) :
DX10 is very simple, and i think the sound is horrible.. FM Heaven is better though, but i think FM7 is the best. I Always knew how to tweak sounds with FM7, but i had no idea what i was doing, but now thanks to that guide aulin posted, i start to understand it more, still not sure why somethings to something
FM sounds are something you can only do with FMsynth, make a song with FM sounds only and i guarantee no-one will say "this sounds reason"
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Actually, if you use an additive synthesizer you can achieve any sound you can make with any other kind of synthesizer. At least, theoretically.
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no way, frequence modulation synthesis is something you can achieve with anything else, you can make sound close to it, but not the same..
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HybridFactor wrote on 03 Mar. (15:16) :
if only people would read my topix sometime  messin 
go and check out
http://www.flstudio.com/help/html/plugins/Sytrus.htm
its the new fl clone of the FM7 vsti, that page has a tutorial on how to use FM properly.
anyway hope i helped 
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i haven't tryied that sytrus, but it seems to me that FM7 is way more detailed, also the matrix in sytrus isn't as freely modificated as in FM7, or logical.
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DDspeed
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Hey... There's also a nice tutorial about FM Synthesis on Sytrus page! I'm gonna read it.
*edit*
Too bad, it's more about Sytrus than FM in general. Don't get excited.
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| After i found out how the fm7 works a couple of months ago, i use it for almost everything. It's very powerful imo, very easy to control and doesn't shew too much on my cpu. |
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a98 wrote on 03 Mar. (14:51) :
no way, frequence modulation synthesis is something you can achieve with anything else, you can make sound close to it, but not the same..
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Oh, really? And what do you base such a powerful opinion on? I have pretty strong mathematical arguments in my favour
Any periodic function (which regular soundwaves are, not talking about percussions here, since percussions are irregular) can be written as a sum of sines and cosines. This is demonstrated by Fourier's theorem. So, given a soundwave you can describe it as a sum of sines (since a cosine can be written as a sine). Each member of the sum represents a harmonic of the sound. An additive synth is a set of oscillators, each one producing a sine wave (that is, a harmonic of the sound generated by all oscillators sounding together). So, with an additive synth, and provided that you have a sufficient number of oscillators and volume envelopes for each oscillator so that each harmonic can vary its volume in time, you can synthesize anything, except for those sounds that need random noise to be generated. Many additive synths have, in addition, a special oscillator which is capable of generating noise and a filter connected to it, so that they can generate those sounds too. As you may have noticed, the oscillators that generate sound waves don't use filters: that's because by summing sinewaves you can obtain any sound anyway.
So, actually, you're wrong.
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PPH wrote on 03 Mar. (16:59) :
a98 wrote on 03 Mar. (14:51) :
no way, frequence modulation synthesis is something you can achieve with anything else, you can make sound close to it, but not the same..
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Oh, really? And what do you base such a powerful opinion on? I have pretty strong mathematical arguments in my favour
Any periodic function (which regular soundwaves are, not talking about percussions here, since percussions are irregular) can be written as a sum of sines and cosines. This is demonstrated by Fourier's theorem. So, given a soundwave you can describe it as a sum of sines (since a cosine can be written as a sine). Each member of the sum represents a harmonic of the sound. An additive synth is a set of oscillators, each one producing a sine wave (that is, a harmonic of the sound generated by all oscillators sounding together). So, with an additive synth, and provided that you have a sufficient number of oscillators and volume envelopes for each oscillator so that each harmonic can vary its volume in time, you can synthesize anything, except for those sounds that need random noise to be generated. Many additive synths have, in addition, a special oscillator which is capable of generating noise and a filter connected to it, so that they can generate those sounds too. As you may have noticed, the oscillators that generate sound waves don't use filters: that's because by summing sinewaves you can obtain any sound anyway.
So, actually, you're wrong.
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As far as I can read in the Sytrus tutorial FM synths use additive synthesis, so you two are arguing about the same thing 
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