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Kevin Zhan
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PPH wrote on 03 Mar. (22:57) :
DDspeed wrote on 03 Mar. (21:13) :
Making a sawtooth or pulse wave using additive synthesis requires infinite number of oscilators, so it's NOT possible to create everything using just additive synthesis and sine waves.
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No, it's not possible to create everything, but it's possible to create everything another synthesizer can, since the sawtooth generated by any synthesizer is no perfect sawtooth either. Actually, it's impossible to make a perfect sawtooth sound. It does not existe. It would require a molecule to switch its rotating speed from infinity to 0 instantly. That's impossible. What you say it's true, to a certain degree only. It doesn't invalidate what I'm saying: it's possible to make everything an FM synth does with an additive synth. Sure, a lot of oscillators would be needed. Many additive synths have 32 or even 64 oscillators. I didn't say it was easy. I said it was possible.
i bet it will be in a few hundred years 
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a98
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i asked in this finnish forum, and the professionals there said that FM sound is something you can create with FM synth only. and i believe those guys since i know how educated they are.
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Kevin Zhan
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a98 wrote on 03 Mar. (23:04) :
i asked in this finnish forum, and the professionals there said that FM sound is something you can create with FM synth only. and i believe those guys since i know how educated they are.
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i completely agree |
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Whirloop
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the great fm-war on ctg!
wich side will win? 
sorry for being offtopic but this is quite entertaining  |
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a98
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Whirloop wrote on 03 Mar. (23:11) :
the great fm-war on ctg!
wich side will win?
sorry for being offtopic but this is quite entertaining |
well let's just say that atleast i can now make sounds with fm-synthesis, that i can't do with any other synthesis, i'm still the biggest fan of subtractive synthesis, but fm is very interesting too.
and heh yeah, actually yes it doesn't even matter what you can do and what not.. i think the question is what synth makes the best sound in the most easier way
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PPH
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Whirloop wrote on 03 Mar. (23:11) :
the great fm-war on ctg!
wich side will win?
sorry for being offtopic but this is quite entertaining |
He, he, I'm glad I'm contributing to other people's amusement 
Anyway, a98, I'm an educated guy too, so you can believe me too  . I agree that in practice, it might be almost impossible to reproduce some sounds made with FM synthesis, but I already said this 1000 times. Why don't you just read the articles whose links I posted here. It's better to find out things by yourself instead of believeing some Finnish folks, or discussing with a crazy guy with a cool avatar showing an orchestra conductor!  
"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine"
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a98
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PPH wrote on 03 Mar. (23:18) :
Anyway, a98, I'm an educated guy too, so you can believe me too .
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yaeh probably, but i didn't know that 
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I agree that in practice, it might be almost impossible to reproduce some sounds made with FM synthesis, but I already said this 1000 times. Why don't you just read the articles whose links I posted here. |
eh i can't read, atleast not anything with information in it
It's better to find out things by yourself instead of believeing some Finnish folks, or discussing with a crazy guy with a cool avatar showing an orchestra conductor!
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yeah well i'm usually sort of guy who wants stuff that i don't know said in my face, too lazy to read long articles if i really ain't that interested on them
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PPH
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a98 wrote on 03 Mar. (23:35) :
PPH wrote on 03 Mar. (23:18) :
Anyway, a98, I'm an educated guy too, so you can believe me too .
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yaeh probably, but i didn't know that
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I agree that in practice, it might be almost impossible to reproduce some sounds made with FM synthesis, but I already said this 1000 times. Why don't you just read the articles whose links I posted here. |
eh i can't read, atleast not anything with information in it
It's better to find out things by yourself instead of believeing some Finnish folks, or discussing with a crazy guy with a cool avatar showing an orchestra conductor!
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yeah well i'm usually sort of guy who wants stuff that i don't know said in my face, too lazy to read long articles if i really ain't that interested on them
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Ok, then.
I'm sorry guys!!! Show's off! Get yourselves another piece of entertaiment!
"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine"
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Kevin Zhan
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a98 wrote on 03 Mar. (23:35) :
PPH wrote on 03 Mar. (23:18) :
Anyway, a98, I'm an educated guy too, so you can believe me too .
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yaeh probably, but i didn't know that
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I agree that in practice, it might be almost impossible to reproduce some sounds made with FM synthesis, but I already said this 1000 times. Why don't you just read the articles whose links I posted here. |
eh i can't read, atleast not anything with information in it
It's better to find out things by yourself instead of believeing some Finnish folks, or discussing with a crazy guy with a cool avatar showing an orchestra conductor!
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yeah well i'm usually sort of guy who wants stuff that i don't know said in my face, too lazy to read long articles if i really ain't that interested on them
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try being an asian and do your homework. read read study study thats my way of life... sadly ugh... |
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Randor
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One thing is completely dismissing here: additive synthesis requires way more power that FM synthesis, it's more on frame now when calculation power of CPU's has increased enough. One of the first additive soft synths, Cameleon 5000 won't even work on slower than P4 or equal level cpu's, and it's almost impossible to use them 'on fly' in the mix since not much power is left after these synths. That's why I think PPH is kinda right, theoretically, but in practive FM synthesis is way easier to use. Plus additive synth's are pain to program yet now, imagine 64 osc, envelopes to each....filters to each....
But whne calculation power grows again, there's nothing to beat additive synthesis. That way natural, everytime variating sounds are possible to make, you can synthesize way more detailed sounds than current simply 2-4 osc synths |
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