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Mike East
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Louigi Verona wrote on 16 Mar. (8:19) :
Pro musicians are still normal ppl and there are so many of them. Every commercial release is very well produced and there are tonns of commercial releases. Do you agree?
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yes, I agree...
Louigi Verona wrote on 16 Mar. (8:19) :
So nothing is impossible I believe. And if you really suck you have even more chances to score since you will have reasons to improve. |
that's also true..
M&Y Project | Aqua Phonics | Superswitch |
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Mike East
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HomesickAlien wrote on 16 Mar. (8:29) :
Mike East wrote on 15 Mar. (7:53) :
I know many of you might disagree and say that 'hey you can do everyting with Reason' but but... you just can't and that's the cold fact  |
That's true, Reason lacks implementation of certain things. You can however, do everything with Reason and any program that allows VST support.
Oh, and I suppose on a fundamental (and somewhat pedantic) level, you could reproduce any song ever written with a series of overlayed sine waves... since the malstrom allows for this technically you can do everything in Reason. Heck, you don't even need all of reason...
... and that's a cold fact
Anyhow, I believe more in software than hardware for the simple fact that hardware will always have a slight delay in the uptake of its response. It cannot process sound until it "hears" it. With "look ahead" functions in software you can choose to implement the delay in the uptake, or you can remove the delay and have it function on a pure level.
Just some ideas... nothing I would argue based on today's software, but mostly based in theory. |
most of the professional musician maybe uses software to compose, it can be Reason, Fruity, Logic whatever.. but that's not the point, it basically doesn't make any difference what you use, it depends how you use it. Pro sound quality in the end many times comes from hardware, maybe the tool for composing is totally software but mixing and mastering is done with lot of different hardware and that's the difference. Many big studios still own analog desks and bunch of hardware compressors, fx, eq etc. just to get it sound professional and nice 
i'm going to buy TC Finalizer hopefully soon, people are asking why i'm spending my money to that type of hardware when you get cool software cheaper and even more functionality.. now this is the break point, you can compare any software on the markets with hardware finalizer and I bet the hardware still sounds much better, IMO.
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Mike East
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woops... 2 times same message  'well let's use this space'
this is really nice studio, pretty much hardware here
Strongroom Studio - England
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Cooth
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Louigi Verona wrote on 16 Mar. (8:19) :
yeah, well. It one way to look at it. Like - I have no talents and no matter what I do I will never learn. Why not commit suicide then?
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Because you know you can't get everything. I'm not a tall and handsome sailor, even though I might sometimes want to. 
(btw. with the sailor, that's not what I'd really like, don't treat that too literally please  )
But if you know you suck but continue working, one day when you forget about dreaming of pro sound you'll finally get it. I think it's just patience. My complains starting this topic were just the result of lack of patience. If you listen to my tracks you'll see that they are not so poorly produced. yet I want more. I want a pro sound and if I'll work on it, I'll get it. Pro musicians are still normal ppl and there are so many of them. Every commercial release is very well produced and there are tonns of commercial releases. Do you agree?
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Yes, I agree, but there is one major problem: once you devote your time and energy to this, you have to sacrifice something. I have very little time for music, so I simply hate to spend it on mixing, eqing etc., instead of writing and arranging. If I could, I'd rather be pro in composing than in production. That's a choice you have to make. IMHO, it's best to decide to do one thing, but make it as good as possible.
As much as I admire people who are able to achieve good sound quality in their stuff, I'm not going to follow their path I think... Probably I would, if I didn't have to work and had lots of time to play around with the hobby of mine...
"It is only an auctioneer who can equally and impartially admire all schools of art." - Oscar Wilde |
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PPH
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Cooth wrote on 16 Mar. (11:51) :
Louigi Verona wrote on 16 Mar. (8:19) :
yeah, well. It one way to look at it. Like - I have no talents and no matter what I do I will never learn. Why not commit suicide then?
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Because you know you can't get everything. I'm not a tall and handsome sailor, even though I might sometimes want to.
(btw. with the sailor, that's not what I'd really like, don't treat that too literally please )
But if you know you suck but continue working, one day when you forget about dreaming of pro sound you'll finally get it. I think it's just patience. My complains starting this topic were just the result of lack of patience. If you listen to my tracks you'll see that they are not so poorly produced. yet I want more. I want a pro sound and if I'll work on it, I'll get it. Pro musicians are still normal ppl and there are so many of them. Every commercial release is very well produced and there are tonns of commercial releases. Do you agree?
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Yes, I agree, but there is one major problem: once you devote your time and energy to this, you have to sacrifice something. I have very little time for music, so I simply hate to spend it on mixing, eqing etc., instead of writing and arranging. If I could, I'd rather be pro in composing than in production. That's a choice you have to make. IMHO, it's best to decide to do one thing, but make it as good as possible.
As much as I admire people who are able to achieve good sound quality in their stuff, I'm not going to follow their path I think... Probably I would, if I didn't have to work and had lots of time to play around with the hobby of mine...
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I agree with Cooth here. It has also been my priority to spend my time composing, not mixing, mastering, etc.
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Louigi Verona
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| To me composing and arranging was always very close and I like to do both a lot. I love the recording process, handling the samples etc. To me composing and arranging is way too close to make a difference. |
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PPH
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Louigi Verona wrote on 16 Mar. (14:48) :
To me composing and arranging was always very close and I like to do both a lot. I love the recording process, handling the samples etc. To me composing and arranging is way too close to make a difference. |
I love arranging too. But arranging is the organization of instruments. I love to use several instruments and organize them in a way that they sound good together. What I mean is that I never liked: editing samples, finding loop points, and all that technical stuff. Now it doesn't bother me anymore. But I still don't use EQ. I just try to make the instruments sound good together in the mix. And I'm pretty good at it, since I've acquired some ability, because I didn't know EQ existed for this purpose. So, now, the only post production I make is adding reverb. And I fix some things, but in the tracker itself. What I mean is: I don't like to hang around with compressors and that stuff. But, I'm starting to be attracted towards synthesizers and stuff. And in this case, you have to shape your own sound, and then it's fun to play around with effects and stuff. With orchestral tunes, though, the fun part is arranging the instruments and making the composition itself, not EQing, etc.
"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine"
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HomesickAlien
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Louigi Verona wrote on 16 Mar. (8:19) :
Every commercial release is very well produced and there are tonns of commercial releases. Do you agree? |
No - I'd say an ever increasing number of commercial releases are becoming poorly produced, over-compressed, etc.
Mike East wrote on 16 Mar. (11:23) :
Pro sound quality in the end many times comes from hardware, maybe the tool for composing is totally software but mixing and mastering is done with lot of different hardware and that's the difference. Many big studios still own analog desks and bunch of hardware compressors, fx, eq etc. just to get it sound professional and nice
i'm going to buy TC Finalizer hopefully soon, people are asking why i'm spending my money to that type of hardware when you get cool software cheaper and even more functionality.. now this is the break point, you can compare any software on the markets with hardware finalizer and I bet the hardware still sounds much better, IMO.
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Hardware has a nice hands on feel to it, and you can adjust effects while they are changing the source file without altering the source file. This is a nice advantage.
My computer, (which is pretty much top notch,) cannot process all the VST effects I would like to use at once. When a computer becomes fast enough to do that, hardware should be out.
(I tend to run about 15-20 separate instruments per track, each ideally with their own EQ, Compression, Reverb, and whatever else.) |
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Kevin Zhan
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HomesickAlien
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Anoxxia wrote on 17 Mar. (0:22) :
what kinda comp u have |
Home-made:
Hyperthreaded Mobo - 800FSB
P4 2.4 Processor (The cheapest that could make use of the mobo and really the only thing left to upgrade.)
2 Gigs of PC3200 RAM
Video card with dual monitor support
Dual 17" Monitors
M-Audio Delta 44 Soundcard (Love the breakout box for live shows!) |
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