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PLUKS
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| Is it more difficult to make great simple songs or great complex songs? When I say simple I say with few notes, chord proggressions, percussion, easy structure... When I say complex I say the opposite. (e.g. some classical music, jazz, progressive rock...) |
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JukkaM
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| My answer is making complex song is more difficult. Although getting a simple song to sound good could also be pretty difficult. |
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MatthijsB
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simple question, a complex composition is more difficult...
especially when considering the production, how can you make sure every sound and melodie will fit in the mix, won't it interfere with other sounds?
I think the same as jukkam
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Kevin Zhan
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| i dont really understand the question... ? |
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John Marwin
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I beg to differ, making a minimalistic song can sometimes be very demanding, you have to get a certain groove which isn´t entirerly obvious at first sight, I mean, have you guys ever tried to make a true techno track? not light techno , but I mean, hard stomping techno that makes you brain turn to mosh!
if you´ve ever made techno , well, you know what I mean.
Making an advanced song is also difficult, but in a different sense, here you have to pay attention to harmony, (or disharmony) and how the instruments fit together, the groove sort of comes with that.
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Espen
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It's a reason why it's called complexed...thats because it's more complex! 
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Cooth
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The harder thing is the one you have less experience with. If you always made fast complex solos and rhytms, it may be hard for you to make a simple thing and still sounding good and interesting.
Simple is not the same as easy. An example is... when you have 10 instruments playing at the same time, an instrument/sample may not sound perfect and most people won't ever notice. If you have just a solo with strings in background, you really have to take care for all tiny details in it.
I think even experienced musicians may feel awkward in fields they hadn't spend much time on.
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Gopher
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Simple songs, by far are the "quickest" to make (however I won't say easiest
Generally, simple songs have much less development time - less instruments/channels, and probably no post-production applied - for instance, a trackers early compositions which use, I dunno, 8-20 channels out of a possible 32-64.
The complex stuff is bound to take more time - you concentrate more on making it deeper (more instruments, channels, all of which needs to be found and scored repsectively), possibly longer, but you (hopefully) spend time on the tiny little things that add the icing on the cake - dynamics, tempo, timbre, as well how "seamless" the track flows from one passage to another. And lets not forget post-production
Speaking from experience, I can make a simple track in a weekend.
I can make a complex track in three months.
Because of the way I am, my music (barring OHCs) are all what I guess has been termed "complex", simply because I can't stand to make simple when I can do so much more. Damned perfectionist attitude
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Kevin Zhan
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Gopher wrote on 17 May. (18:01) :
Simple songs, by far are the "quickest" to make (however I won't say easiest
Generally, simple songs have much less development time - less instruments/channels, and probably no post-production applied - for instance, a trackers early compositions which use, I dunno, 8-20 channels out of a possible 32-64.
The complex stuff is bound to take more time - you concentrate more on making it deeper (more instruments, channels, all of which needs to be found and scored repsectively), possibly longer, but you (hopefully) spend time on the tiny little things that add the icing on the cake - dynamics, tempo, timbre, as well how "seamless" the track flows from one passage to another. And lets not forget post-production
Speaking from experience, I can make a simple track in a weekend.
I can make a complex track in three months.
Because of the way I am, my music (barring OHCs) are all what I guess has been termed "complex", simply because I can't stand to make simple when I can do so much more. Damned perfectionist attitude
-Gopher
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ever tried just making a piano ballad? they work quite well for games, ie Final Fantasy Series. Just joking, u do what u want  But yeah, most of the time, imo complex songs are better and harder to make. However, not always the case. Maybe with just a few instruments, if u wanted each to have an individual part that goes along with the harmony, it oculd be quite hard to do, even with a few instruments. Sometimes, instruments are just added in, copying a chord progression/scale, just to add in more of a fuller and develeoped sound. However, i mean sure its more complex, but is that really the case in terms of difficulty? |
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Cooth
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anoxxia wrote on 17 May. (21:58) :
But yeah, most of the time, imo complex songs are better and harder to make.
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It is harder to make an okayish complex song than an okayish simple song, with that I agree. But is it as easy to make a simple song insteresting, something above average?
To me it seems like people treat music purely like a program or a construction. Music needs some additional value that'll make it really good, more than just 'listenable'. Is it that easy to achieve?
Anyway, even in construction or programming simple is not always easy. Sometimes it's way easier to find complicated workarounds than a simple way - simple, but really hard to discover.
I remembe a review for a CD of a jazz trumpet player. The critic said there was simplicity only a real master can use while still making it great. There is something in it. He played simple stuff, but he made it impressive. It's so hard to impress with simplicity, isn't it?
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