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I think it's simpler to write a simple song and more complex to write a complex song.
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It-Alien
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I mostly make very complex music, long progressive rock suites which can last for more than 10 minutes and require up to 4 months to be completed.
This doesn't necessarily mean that this is the hardest thing I could do: for me, making a simple song would be even harder, because I would fall asleep all the time while making it  |
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Zepsi
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Cooth wrote on 18 May. (6:45) :
It is harder to make an okayish complex song than an okayish simple song, with that I agree. But is it as easy to make a simple song insteresting, something above average?
To me it seems like people treat music purely like a program or a construction. Music needs some additional value that'll make it really good, more than just 'listenable'. Is it that easy to achieve?
Anyway, even in construction or programming simple is not always easy. Sometimes it's way easier to find complicated workarounds than a simple way - simple, but really hard to discover.
I remembe a review for a CD of a jazz trumpet player. The critic said there was simplicity only a real master can use while still making it great. There is something in it. He played simple stuff, but he made it impressive. It's so hard to impress with simplicity, isn't it?
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Very good post. I agree 110% |
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Gopher
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anoxxia wrote on 17 May. (21:58) :
Gopher wrote on 17 May. (18:01) :
Simple songs, by far are the "quickest" to make (however I won't say easiest 
Generally, simple songs have much less development time - less instruments/channels, and probably no post-production applied - for instance, a trackers early compositions which use, I dunno, 8-20 channels out of a possible 32-64.
The complex stuff is bound to take more time - you concentrate more on making it deeper (more instruments, channels, all of which needs to be found and scored repsectively), possibly longer, but you (hopefully) spend time on the tiny little things that add the icing on the cake - dynamics, tempo, timbre, as well how "seamless" the track flows from one passage to another. And lets not forget post-production
Speaking from experience, I can make a simple track in a weekend.
I can make a complex track in three months.
Because of the way I am, my music (barring OHCs) are all what I guess has been termed "complex", simply because I can't stand to make simple when I can do so much more. Damned perfectionist attitude
-Gopher
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ever tried just making a piano ballad? they work quite well for games, ie Final Fantasy Series. Just joking, u do what u want  But yeah, most of the time, imo complex songs are better and harder to make. However, not always the case. Maybe with just a few instruments, if u wanted each to have an individual part that goes along with the harmony, it oculd be quite hard to do, even with a few instruments. Sometimes, instruments are just added in, copying a chord progression/scale, just to add in more of a fuller and develeoped sound. However, i mean sure its more complex, but is that really the case in terms of difficulty? |
Actually, I have tried making a piano *ballad*, and by far and large it was the hardest thing I have ever half-tried to do (if I fully tried it would be a complete load of crap instead of a half-complete load of crap). Because I'm classically trained, I reckon I could do an easy imitation of a simple derivative classic style. Because I do a lot of ragtime too, thats a piece of cake (using all the standard chord formations etc). But a piano ballad? Maybe.
I know what you mean about light instrumentals as well. When you do something like that, you have to concentrate a lot more on the little things - you pay a LOT more attention to dynamics and fluidity, and for the more expressive pieces you really pay a lot of attention to tempo and also maybe out-of-sync effects (if you're feeling masochistic). In a large orchestral, you normally don't pay anywhere near as much attention to it because there is so much going on.
So, really, at the end of the day it's as complex or as simple as you want.
-Gopher
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Louigi Verona
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| Is it more difficult to make great simple songs or great complex songs? Both. Good stuff are difficult to make. |
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PPH
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Registered: 13.Jul.03 |
I can make a simple track in a couple of days. It can take me months or even a year to make a complex one. Sometimes I like to make simpler tracks, because I just feel like having fun. Complex tracks I start and don't work in them continuosly. I work on them a little, stop because don't know how to continue, wait some months, work again. In the meantime, I think of ideas. If you take a look at my tracks here, "Warriors of the Savannah" is a typical example of a simple track. The other three, especially "The Fields of Doom" are complex ones. While I like the melodies and mood of "Warriors of the Savannah", and it has had a nice reception from the community, I think the other three are in another league when compared to it.
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Analysis
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Registered: 16.Mar.03 |
Its harder to make a good simple song, then a crappy complex song.
You' re always as good as your last song. |
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Nifflas
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A simple song is harder to complex, than a hard complex is simple to song.
Fortunately, my music is much more interesting than my posts. |
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PPH
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Registered: 13.Jul.03 |
Nifflas wrote on 09 Aug. (17:23) :
A simple song is harder to complex, than a hard complex is simple to song.
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The Arrival, my newest track.
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Espen
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Nifflas wrote on 09 Aug. (17:23) :
A simple song is harder to complex, than a hard complex is simple to song.
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You know what, I think i got your point there 
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