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Ceekayed
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PPH wrote on 09 Jun. (17:22) :
This is another sign that the tracking scene as we know is gone. If you want to make a track that sounds good, you'll have to use professional samples and effects that can't be distributed in a tracked file. Let's see: Cooth was a tracker, now uses Friuty Loops; Louigi Verona, the same; Gopher uses Logic and Edirol; obScene used MPT, now uses Reason... lots of trackers are switching to other programs. Others, like me, Atlantis, Benefit of the Boomerang, CDNalsi, Ganja aka Speed-Focus, ITAlien, HomesickAlien, keep using trackers, but release streamed files for the reasons stated above. The tracking scene is merging with the rest of the computer music scene. MIC was an attempt to keep the original scene.
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That is too true. And I don't like it. But whatever happens, I'll be using Impulse Tracker (and I'll keep releasing .ITs, no matter what people said), but also I'll support people who want to evolve.
And I also wish Novus a great future, he kept a part of the "trackerscene" alive.
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Chris Edberg
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PPH wrote on 13 Jun. (13:04) :
G4NJ4 wrote on 12 Jun. (21:19) :
Kricke wrote on 12 Jun. (16:08) :
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EDIT: Renoise's instruments support only 16 samples!!! Am I supposed to use high quality multisapmpled instruments in Renoise?! I don't think so. |
Not sure if I know what you mean here, but as far as I know Renoise supports as many instruments/samples as FT2; 128 |
As an official PPH interpreter I can inform you that PPH in this case is upset (you can tell by the triplicated exclamation marks) about the support for instruments in Renoise limits the amount of samples to 16 per instrument. Furthermore he does not think he's supposed to use high quality multisampled instruments with Renoise.
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Well, like Robert De Niro told Billy Crystal in "Analyzme Me": "You're good!" 
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Well, I recommend VSTi's!
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Ceekayed
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Kricke wrote on 25 Jun. (13:36) :
PPH wrote on 13 Jun. (13:04) :
G4NJ4 wrote on 12 Jun. (21:19) :
Kricke wrote on 12 Jun. (16:08) :
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EDIT: Renoise's instruments support only 16 samples!!! Am I supposed to use high quality multisapmpled instruments in Renoise?! I don't think so. |
Not sure if I know what you mean here, but as far as I know Renoise supports as many instruments/samples as FT2; 128 |
As an official PPH interpreter I can inform you that PPH in this case is upset (you can tell by the triplicated exclamation marks) about the support for instruments in Renoise limits the amount of samples to 16 per instrument. Furthermore he does not think he's supposed to use high quality multisampled instruments with Renoise.
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Well, like Robert De Niro told Billy Crystal in "Analyzme Me": "You're good!"
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Well, I recommend VSTi's!
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Could you people please stop trying to turn "original" trackers to change to something better? We make our own choices, no "USE VSTi's!" can turn us.
Most of these so-called-fights remind me of religions that are fighting for people.
It's not the program, it's the composer that makes good music.
Thank you.
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Void Pointer
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PPH wrote on 09 Jun. (17:22) :
This is another sign that the tracking scene as we know is gone. If you want to make a track that sounds good, you'll have to use professional samples and effects that can't be distributed in a tracked file. Let's see: Cooth was a tracker, now uses Friuty Loops; Louigi Verona, the same; Gopher uses Logic and Edirol; obScene used MPT, now uses Reason... lots of trackers are switching to other programs. Others, like me, Atlantis, Benefit of the Boomerang, CDNalsi, Ganja aka Speed-Focus, ITAlien, HomesickAlien, keep using trackers, but release streamed files for the reasons stated above. The tracking scene is merging with the rest of the computer music scene. MIC was an attempt to keep the original scene.
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BOTB? Skale Tracker...
CDnalsi? Reason...
I also thought Atlantis was using a different program
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Chris Edberg
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Ceekayed wrote on 25 Jun. (13:40) :
Kricke wrote on 25 Jun. (13:36) :
PPH wrote on 13 Jun. (13:04) :
G4NJ4 wrote on 12 Jun. (21:19) :
Kricke wrote on 12 Jun. (16:08) :
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EDIT: Renoise's instruments support only 16 samples!!! Am I supposed to use high quality multisapmpled instruments in Renoise?! I don't think so. |
Not sure if I know what you mean here, but as far as I know Renoise supports as many instruments/samples as FT2; 128 |
As an official PPH interpreter I can inform you that PPH in this case is upset (you can tell by the triplicated exclamation marks) about the support for instruments in Renoise limits the amount of samples to 16 per instrument. Furthermore he does not think he's supposed to use high quality multisampled instruments with Renoise.
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Well, like Robert De Niro told Billy Crystal in "Analyzme Me": "You're good!"
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Well, I recommend VSTi's!
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Could you people please stop trying to turn "original" trackers to change to something better? We make our own choices, no "USE VSTi's!" can turn us.
Most of these so-called-fights remind me of religions that are fighting for people.
It's not the program, it's the composer that makes good music.
Thank you.
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And could you people stop interpretating several days discussions out of the last sentence? I recommend to read the whole conversation damnit, dont make me angry please. We were talking about Renoise's possibilities, etc... So I think if someone's gonna use Renoise, he could as well start using VSTi's instead of multisampled instruments which is not nearly as good anyway.
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Cooth
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Registered: 02.Jan.03 |
Void Pointer wrote on 25 Jun. (14:57) :
BOTB? Skale Tracker...
CDnalsi? Reason...
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Reason isn't a tracker.
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DDspeed
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Replies: 4892
Registered: 07.Jun.03 |
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Kricke wrote on 25 Jun. (15:16) :
Ceekayed wrote on 25 Jun. (13:40) :
Kricke wrote on 25 Jun. (13:36) :
PPH wrote on 13 Jun. (13:04) :
G4NJ4 wrote on 12 Jun. (21:19) :
Kricke wrote on 12 Jun. (16:08) :
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EDIT: Renoise's instruments support only 16 samples!!! Am I supposed to use high quality multisapmpled instruments in Renoise?! I don't think so. |
Not sure if I know what you mean here, but as far as I know Renoise supports as many instruments/samples as FT2; 128 |
As an official PPH interpreter I can inform you that PPH in this case is upset (you can tell by the triplicated exclamation marks) about the support for instruments in Renoise limits the amount of samples to 16 per instrument. Furthermore he does not think he's supposed to use high quality multisampled instruments with Renoise.
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Well, like Robert De Niro told Billy Crystal in "Analyzme Me": "You're good!"
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Well, I recommend VSTi's!
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Could you people please stop trying to turn "original" trackers to change to something better? We make our own choices, no "USE VSTi's!" can turn us.
Most of these so-called-fights remind me of religions that are fighting for people.
It's not the program, it's the composer that makes good music.
Thank you.
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And could you people stop interpretating several days discussions out of the last sentence? I recommend to read the whole conversation damnit, dont make me angry please. We were talking about Renoise's possibilities, etc... So I think if someone's gonna use Renoise, he could as well start using VSTi's instead of multisampled instruments which is not nearly as good anyway.
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I agree with you, but would like to add some things.
Renoise is capable to use max F samples in one instrument. It's a low number, most other trackers have much more samples in one instrument. Using a VSTi sampler for multisamples is an option, but Kontakt, SFZ, SampleTank and others eat very much resources. Also using a VSTi plugin makes it impossible to use standard tracker pattern commands, which we all love so much. Still multisamples are very useful for e.g. creating drumkits.
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PPH
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Void Pointer wrote on 25 Jun. (14:57) :
PPH wrote on 09 Jun. (17:22) :
This is another sign that the tracking scene as we know is gone. If you want to make a track that sounds good, you'll have to use professional samples and effects that can't be distributed in a tracked file. Let's see: Cooth was a tracker, now uses Friuty Loops; Louigi Verona, the same; Gopher uses Logic and Edirol; obScene used MPT, now uses Reason... lots of trackers are switching to other programs. Others, like me, Atlantis, Benefit of the Boomerang, CDNalsi, Ganja aka Speed-Focus, ITAlien, HomesickAlien, keep using trackers, but release streamed files for the reasons stated above. The tracking scene is merging with the rest of the computer music scene. MIC was an attempt to keep the original scene.
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BOTB? Skale Tracker...
CDnalsi? Reason...
I also thought Atlantis was using a different program
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I know BotB uses Skale Tracker. I said he used a tracker. Skale Tracker is, obviously...a tracker  At the time I wrote this, CDNalsi still used Modplug. Maybe he uses Reason too, but he hasn't quitted Modplug 100%. I think in this same topic there's a post by him saying he tracks in Modplug and then finishes the track in Renoise. As for Atlantis, he has embraced Renoise.
Kricke: I like VSTi when it comes to electronic instruments. But I don't see any advantage in them when it comes to samples. Renoise crashed on me the other day when I tried to use SFZ. Add to that that SFZ loads only soundfonts. Well, I could use Kontakt. But Kontakt is expensive and needs a lot of memory. Hell, a tracker is a sample itself, so, why not using it's built-in tracker?
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PPH
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Registered: 13.Jul.03 |
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Kricke wrote on 25 Jun. (15:16) :
Ceekayed wrote on 25 Jun. (13:40) :
Kricke wrote on 25 Jun. (13:36) :
PPH wrote on 13 Jun. (13:04) :
G4NJ4 wrote on 12 Jun. (21:19) :
Kricke wrote on 12 Jun. (16:08) :
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EDIT: Renoise's instruments support only 16 samples!!! Am I supposed to use high quality multisapmpled instruments in Renoise?! I don't think so. |
Not sure if I know what you mean here, but as far as I know Renoise supports as many instruments/samples as FT2; 128 |
As an official PPH interpreter I can inform you that PPH in this case is upset (you can tell by the triplicated exclamation marks) about the support for instruments in Renoise limits the amount of samples to 16 per instrument. Furthermore he does not think he's supposed to use high quality multisampled instruments with Renoise.
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Well, like Robert De Niro told Billy Crystal in "Analyzme Me": "You're good!"
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Well, I recommend VSTi's!
|
Could you people please stop trying to turn "original" trackers to change to something better? We make our own choices, no "USE VSTi's!" can turn us.
Most of these so-called-fights remind me of religions that are fighting for people.
It's not the program, it's the composer that makes good music.
Thank you.
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And could you people stop interpretating several days discussions out of the last sentence? I recommend to read the whole conversation damnit, dont make me angry please. We were talking about Renoise's possibilities, etc... So I think if someone's gonna use Renoise, he could as well start using VSTi's instead of multisampled instruments which is not nearly as good anyway.
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What's the difference between usinf SFZ and playing samples in Renoise itself?! Only that there isn't direct from disk, and maybe, just maybe, resampling is better. Those are advantages indeed. Maybe using SFZ or other samples is better. But not "much better". Besides, they are not as easy to handle as samples that are loaded directly into Renoise. And I've started to use VSTis anyway. I don't find them as esay to handle as samples. Most of them have ADSR as envelopes. There's no question that the envelopes provided by Renoise and MPT are much better than those lousy ADSR
Multisamples are important if you want an instrument to sound good: I don't want to play a C6 by resampling a C1.
The Arrival, my newest track.
"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine"
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DDspeed
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Registered: 07.Jun.03 |
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PPH wrote on 25 Jun. (16:12) :
Kricke wrote on 25 Jun. (15:16) :
Ceekayed wrote on 25 Jun. (13:40) :
Kricke wrote on 25 Jun. (13:36) :
PPH wrote on 13 Jun. (13:04) :
G4NJ4 wrote on 12 Jun. (21:19) :
Kricke wrote on 12 Jun. (16:08) :
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EDIT: Renoise's instruments support only 16 samples!!! Am I supposed to use high quality multisapmpled instruments in Renoise?! I don't think so. |
Not sure if I know what you mean here, but as far as I know Renoise supports as many instruments/samples as FT2; 128 |
As an official PPH interpreter I can inform you that PPH in this case is upset (you can tell by the triplicated exclamation marks) about the support for instruments in Renoise limits the amount of samples to 16 per instrument. Furthermore he does not think he's supposed to use high quality multisampled instruments with Renoise.
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Well, like Robert De Niro told Billy Crystal in "Analyzme Me": "You're good!"
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Well, I recommend VSTi's!
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Could you people please stop trying to turn "original" trackers to change to something better? We make our own choices, no "USE VSTi's!" can turn us.
Most of these so-called-fights remind me of religions that are fighting for people.
It's not the program, it's the composer that makes good music.
Thank you.
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And could you people stop interpretating several days discussions out of the last sentence? I recommend to read the whole conversation damnit, dont make me angry please. We were talking about Renoise's possibilities, etc... So I think if someone's gonna use Renoise, he could as well start using VSTi's instead of multisampled instruments which is not nearly as good anyway.
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What's the difference between usinf SFZ and playing samples in Renoise itself?! Only that there isn't direct from disk, and maybe, just maybe, resampling is better. Those are advantages indeed. Maybe using SFZ or other samples is better. But not "much better". Besides, they are not as easy to handle as samples that are loaded directly into Renoise. And I've started to use VSTis anyway. I don't find them as esay to handle as samples. Most of them have ADSR as envelopes. There's no question that the envelopes provided by Renoise and MPT are much better than those lousy ADSR
Multisamples are important if you want an instrument to sound good: I don't want to play a C6 by resampling a C1.
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Let's not forget, that using an external sampler omits the interpolation during the rendering, so we cannot use arguru sinc.
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