AKiSeY
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I think people use the word 'depression" way too easily. In europe, nothing can be bad enough then what happens in the contries I mentioned.
For me those people are the only one that may complain about something. Not a european which has the right to talk, to study, ...
Analysis's story is sad in europe. In those contries it's a habit.....
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John Marwin
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actually, a person can feel like utter shit although his life is perfect, however, money does make life a shitload easier, but you could just as easily become nuts with depression anyways, its all in your head really.
So really, nobody can really say what goes around in somebody elses head really, all we can do is just guess....
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Cooth
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AKiSeY wrote on 27 Jun. (23:08) :
I think people use the word 'depression" way too easily. In europe, nothing can be bad enough then what happens in the contries I mentioned.
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When you are not exposed to hard conditions, you become sensitive to less hard ones. Let me tell you a short story.
There was a marriage of two medicine people, who've had studied and had a lot of knowledge what can be dangerous for people's health. And they had a baby. Having all the knowledge, they did their best to prevent the baby from being exposed to all the dangerous things.
One day the baby died: real world conditions appeared to hard for an organism that wasn't exposed to them and therefore didn't learn to fight them.
The analogy is: if you live in Europe, your psychic immunology isn't as strong as in those extremely harsh 3rd world conditions. People become more sensitive to lesser tragedies. Therefore more vulnerable.
It's one of the most natural things in the world: the smaller range is to be measured, the better accuracy there can be. The slower you read, the more attention you can pay to every detail. The more delicate skin you have, the softer touch you will feel. And the easier to cut it is at the same time. The more delicate mentally one is, the better they notice each little sad thing, and the easier it is to do harm them.
To end all that, I think that making people feel guilty for being sad and depressed is a big mistake.
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Analysis
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J/M/T/M wrote on 27 Jun. (23:24) :
So really, nobody can really say what goes around in somebody elses head really, all we can do is just guess....
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Agreed.Taking people serious when they believe that they are in problems is the least thing you can do.
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AKiSeY
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Cooth wrote on 28 Jun. (10:19) :
AKiSeY wrote on 27 Jun. (23:08) :
I think people use the word 'depression" way too easily. In europe, nothing can be bad enough then what happens in the contries I mentioned.
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When you are not exposed to hard conditions, you become sensitive to less hard ones. Let me tell you a short story.
There was a marriage of two medicine people, who've had studied and had a lot of knowledge what can be dangerous for people's health. And they had a baby. Having all the knowledge, they did their best to prevent the baby from being exposed to all the dangerous things.
One day the baby died: real world conditions appeared to hard for an organism that wasn't exposed to them and therefore didn't learn to fight them.
The analogy is: if you live in Europe, your psychic immunology isn't as strong as in those extremely harsh 3rd world conditions. People become more sensitive to lesser tragedies. Therefore more vulnerable.
It's one of the most natural things in the world: the smaller range is to be measured, the better accuracy there can be. The slower you read, the more attention you can pay to every detail. The more delicate skin you have, the softer touch you will feel. And the easier to cut it is at the same time. The more delicate mentally one is, the better they notice each little sad thing, and the easier it is to do harm them.
To end all that, I think that making people feel guilty for being sad and depressed is a big mistake.
Youknowwhatahmean, nudge nudge, wink wink. |
Well, I have to agree with you here. I'm kinda convinced  |
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geniewiz
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Best ways to die are quickly, and painlessly. So you might wanna think about jumping off a cliff...not that I'd recommend it! 
Lol just playin around man,
cheer up!
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PartySan
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Valtteri Flinck wrote on 20 Jun. (13:30) :
Why do you wanna die when you can live?  This is stupid topic. And if you really would like to die you wouldn't be here chatting about you wanna die 
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Flinck can't be more right than he is. This is a stupid idea.  Best not talk about it until something really bad happens, like your relatives dying first. (Oh man I said it!! Even try not to think about it...) Heck, if you're a good musician, in death you have found immortality. Oceanseeker wrote: "6 billion people live with suffering. To be human, it means to suffer, but it also means a hope for a pleasure. Pleasure also exists in everyone's life, it is the moment of least suffering", but Warder (the great Finnish guy good at composing Fantasy and Irish music that now slipped out of the scene. Trust me i've been to his site twice) said: "grief... The only way to overcome it: to realise its captivizing beauty".
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Void Pointer
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PartySan wrote on 24 Jul. (17:19) :
Valtteri Flinck wrote on 20 Jun. (13:30) :
Why do you wanna die when you can live? This is stupid topic. And if you really would like to die you wouldn't be here chatting about you wanna die
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Flinck can't be more right than he is. This is a stupid idea. Best not talk about it until something really bad happens, like your relatives dying first. (Oh man I said it!! Even try not to think about it...) Heck, if you're a good musician, in death you have found immortality. Oceanseeker wrote: "6 billion people live with suffering. To be human, it means to suffer, but it also means a hope for a pleasure. Pleasure also exists in everyone's life, it is the moment of least suffering", but Warder (the great Finnish guy good at composing Fantasy and Irish music that now slipped out of the scene. Trust me i've been to his site twice) said: "grief... The only way to overcome it: to realise its captivizing beauty".
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If I was Dreaw_lk, I would have kicked you both in the nuts
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Cooth
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PartySan wrote on 24 Jul. (17:19) :
Flinck can't be more right than he is. This is a stupid idea. Best not talk about it until something really bad happens, like your relatives dying first. (Oh man I said it!! Even try not to think about it...)
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Life isn't all that simple you know. My father died when I was 9, and it didn't prevent me from being depressed in other, less "obvious" moments. Feelings are not something you can fully control, maybe one day you will see. I really wish you that it be a happy thing rather than sad.
Heck, if you're a good musician, in death you have found immortality.
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Okay, but let's not mix catchy metaphors (or whatever that is) with reality.
Oceanseeker wrote: "6 billion people live with suffering. To be human, it means to suffer, but it also means a hope for a pleasure. Pleasure also exists in everyone's life, it is the moment of least suffering"
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Oceanseeker was very right in this, but remember one thing: when you're okay yourself, you always are all that wise. When depression hits you in the face, you sometimes forget what sense there is in breathing.
There was a Polish poet, Jan Kochanowski, children learn about him at school. He praised stoicism and adviced others to be like that. But when he lost his little daughter, he lost that self-confidence, he broke down and it kept him quite some time.
One hour you believe you have an ultimate recipe for life and know everything, the next one you lose the ground under your feet.
but Warder (the great Finnish guy good at composing Fantasy and Irish music that now slipped out of the scene. Trust me i've been to his site twice) said: "grief... The only way to overcome it: to realise its captivizing beauty".
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Realising its beauty (which is there, sort of, I agree) won't make you overcome grief. That's my opinion.
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nait08
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Everything that happens during your life is what eventually makes you who you are. Someone who never had any serious problems in life might be happier than someone who has suffered a lot.. but I think the person who has learned how cruel life can be can appreciate the good sides about life (or even BEING alive) much more than the person without problems. That's a positive thing, right?
I've had many depressions for all kinds of reasons (like we all have), some of them quite superficial, some of them relatively serious (family violence, parents' divorce, school, girls, bla...) At one point I even seriously thought about death as a way to escape from everything, or at least I imagined to not exist anymore. When I think of that time nowadays, I just can't understand how I ever could be so hopeless and negative. And I know that if anything would have been different (better) in my past, I wouldn't be the person I am today, I probably would think, feel and see the world differently. I'm glad I don't.
My point is that I think that negative experiences and depressions can shape your personality in a positive way (making you more tolerant, understanding, you learn how to interprete your emotions..), if you know how to handle them. Wishing to die won't get you anywhere, except maybe into a deeper depression.. it's just like giving up.
dreawlk wrote on 21 Jun. (19:00) :
I used to think every time I would want to die, I surely die indeed, something in me die, these times... |
I guess what you felt dying in you was your hope..
damn, I can sound so corny 
posted by: AKiSeY on 27 Jun. (23:08)
I think people use the word 'depression" way too easily. In europe, nothing can be bad enough then what happens in the contries I mentioned. |
And I think "depression" is not just a word you use, it's a state of psychological/emotional health which you cannot simply control even when you know that there are others with bigger problems. A loss is a loss, everywhere, and everyone has the right to feel sad and be depressed for whatever loss they've had, no matter how unimportant it may seem to others.
posted by: Cooth on 28 Jun. (10:19)
if you live in Europe, your psychic immunology isn't as strong as in those extremely harsh 3rd world conditions. People become more sensitive to lesser tragedies. Therefore more vulnerable. |
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