Michel
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| I'm currently downloading it... but is there a track in there which is as good as the third song from Electronica 2004 - Dr. Saygon (Sandro S. Henriques) - A Trip To India II ! |
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a98
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Mark Versluis wrote on 03 Aug. (14:25) :
But just because it is a computer mix I kinda expect that it is possible to do a perfect beatmatch , instead of doing it like me with vinyl . |
well what did this sentence by akisey mean then
"EDIT: I've only heard the first two transition yet, but you are mixing like a pro Blaz
I guess that little piece of hardware you bought clearly makes the job more comfortable "
anyway the "i use only vinyl" statement is so old nowadays, over 80% of djs use both.. more and more big names are changing to cd only or final scratch
last big name who change to cd was Dave Clarke.
i think it's stupid just to use one format, as it's not the format we go to listen but the tracks, but i'm sure there are people who will stop going to parties and listening to music when vinyl creation is been stopped 
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Flinck
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a98 wrote on 03 Aug. (21:56) :
but i'm sure there are people who will stop going to parties and listening to music when vinyl creation is been stopped
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I don't think that will happen soon  . When that happens there might be another format too.
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a98
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Valtteri Flinck wrote on 03 Aug. (22:18) :
a98 wrote on 03 Aug. (21:56) :
but i'm sure there are people who will stop going to parties and listening to music when vinyl creation is been stopped
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I don't think that will happen soon . When that happens there might be another format too.
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heh well there already is "CD" and "digital format"
but you missed the point... the point was i doubt anyone is dj'ing because of a format, but because of the music
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Flinck
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a98 wrote on 03 Aug. (23:25) :
Valtteri Flinck wrote on 03 Aug. (22:18) :
a98 wrote on 03 Aug. (21:56) :
but i'm sure there are people who will stop going to parties and listening to music when vinyl creation is been stopped
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I don't think that will happen soon . When that happens there might be another format too.
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heh well there already is "CD" and "digital format"
but you missed the point... the point was i doubt anyone is dj'ing because of a format, but because of the music
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Yep, I screwed big time 
EDIT: "I owe you Big Time" (from Roxbury) 
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Mark Versluis
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Oh my oh my a98 , you always hear or see things that are not there.
well what did this sentence by akisey mean then
"EDIT: I've only heard the first two transition yet, but you are mixing like a pro Blaz
I guess that little piece of hardware you bought clearly makes the job more comfortable " |
Maybe Akisey think the beatmatching was ok , but in my opinion it is not .
anyway the "i use only vinyl" statement is so old nowadays, over 80% of djs use both.. more and more big names are changing to cd only or final scratch
last big name who change to cd was Dave Clarke. |
I only said I use only vinyl , because I do , I don't have cd players ... and I am not willing to spin cd's .... only next year or so when I can manage to buy a digital turntable .... which make spinning with cd's the same feel as spinnin' with vinyl .
It is not about the format .... it is about the way a dj is able to mix with it .
THE WAY spinning is done with turntables (digital or not) is just the way that it is done almost everywhere .....
CD/Computer mixing and "turntable" mixing is a huge difference.
Anyway I have no didgi tables yet .... so that's why I mentioned I spin with vinyl only ok .
i think it's stupid just to use one format, as it's not the format we go to listen but the tracks, but i'm sure there are people who will stop going to parties and listening to music when vinyl creation is been stopped
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Yeah right |
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a98
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Mark Versluis wrote on 04 Aug. (9:13) :
well what did this sentence by akisey mean then
"EDIT: I've only heard the first two transition yet, but you are mixing like a pro Blaz
I guess that little piece of hardware you bought clearly makes the job more comfortable " |
Maybe Akisey think the beatmatching was ok , but in my opinion it is not . |
no i didn't mean that, i mean the piece of hardware part? what did that mean... i thought he had bought decks and mixer.
I only said I use only vinyl , because I do , I don't have cd players ... and I am not willing to spin cd's .... only next year or so when I can manage to buy a digital turntable .... which make spinning with cd's the same feel as spinnin' with vinyl .
It is not about the format .... it is about the way a dj is able to mix with it .
THE WAY spinning is done with turntables (digital or not) is just the way that it is done almost everywhere .....
CD/Computer mixing and "turntable" mixing is a huge difference.
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you sound like you have never even tryied or seen a cd deck, it's not even close to computer mixing. well ok, you can't "see" the track, as you can see in vinyl, all the quiet parts, but the wheel in it lets you scratch, rotate and do anything you do with vinyl to the cd.. sure it might be more fun to mix with vinyl, but i'm just saying mixing with CD decks isn't any easier and it surely doesn't make you a less dj...
computer mixing on the otherhand is something anyone can do..
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RAVE-n
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yep... my beatmatch ain't accurate at time... its even bad, aprticulary on dj raf - acecream transition...
YET.... im stating here publicly loud and clear that it is HARD as hell to beatmatch
tracks that are mixed and mastered as badly as those here (may producers forgive me, but its true and noone can't prove me wrong)
... especialy if you don't really have a super sensitive "ear" and good DJ headphones with super defined bass, not to mention that you do it for fun and
out of good will=not being proffesional etc. May i state here that this particular mix was made "live", that means beatmatching and EQing, crosfading etc was done REAL time... so Acid/cooledit or something here... I didn't even use dubbing as i did before.
That said i want to explain why it isn't really so easy to mix "amateur" tracks at all,
being it with CD,vinly or digital tools. Profesionaly produced and mastered tracks have a VERY definite bass, loud and clear with a clear peak in sound that rises almost above all sounds in a song. It is WAY easier to beatmatch accurately if you have this peak.
Sadly, MANY tracks here on CTG are so overcompressed/limited, or mixed, or EQed
in a way that pounch of the kick, that peak you need to match on two tracks, simply isn't hearable on your everyday tools.
That woudn't really be a problem if there wasn't a great disregard for a DJ friendly structure. People rather do an "interesting" intro, which sadly doesn't really have a clear kick part, or that part is too short.THIS is the MAIN reason why a compilation feel can be:because transitions are as short as are the mixable parts of the songs.
I want to say that much of what Mark said is true, and atleast i do agree with issues on false beatmatch and song order ( Glider is a very specific song... rich in production, yet somehow calm... i didn't really know where to put it )
Yet I DO agree that soft mixing is WAY easier that ANY type of real thing,
ESPECIALY with nicely produced tracks, i think that everybody who banish us CTG mixers DO forget about the quality of the tracks we are mixing and the impact this quality has on our mixing ability and general quality of the mix.
The bottom lines are two.
1.) I do NOT BELIEVE anyone could do ANY better with those tracks if they were pressed on vinly in their current state.
2.) Producers that tends to do a "half-mixable" songs. THINK about what you want to do! If you do a minute intro of percussion, or 7 min song with mixable part but full of melody, overcompressed kicks, you clearly WANT the song to be mixed.
IF SO, PAY attention so that it is REALLY adepted for mixing, not just some bit of it.
IF your song is BADLY mixed in the mix, maybe thats not because im incompetent of beatmatching, but your kickdrum is drowned in song/low in volume/the mixing part is 10 sec long/etc.
IF you do not want the song to be mixed at all, or don't have ambition for your songs to be mixed in the future at all.... start doing radio edits... it would be easier.
And for god sake... don't do a song with nice long mixable intro, but no outro ... that realyl pisses me off royaly.
This is more a naggin in the producers direction, since i try to help them discover how a song could be mixed/what flaws could song posses in comparison with others simmilar. But noone sees that
PS: This has NOTHING to do with Mark saying mix is bad ( I know i can do better, so... em... it is more or less bad indeed ), but to elaborate for the 10th time how songs SHOULD BE(they are on prof scene) here to be nicely easily mixable.
I am willing to make a short tutorial of club songs structure or something just for you to keep these things in mind!
"The 'soul' of the machines has always been a part of our music. Trance always belongs to repetition, and everybody is looking for trance in life... in sex, in the emotional, in pleasure, in anything... so, the machines produce an absolutely perfect trance."
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AKiSeY
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Totally agree with you RAVE-n . Most of the tracks here are mastered in way too different ways. Some like their songs playing as loud as possible, some want the bass to be as phat as possible,... Professional music is easier in this case. Those songs have a respective intro and outro like it should be to be mixable.
I think you have to mix ctg songs to understand this.....
Also, the extremely limited library is still a problem |
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Mark Versluis
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a98 wrote on 04 Aug. (10:01) :
Mark Versluis wrote on 04 Aug. (9:13) :
well what did this sentence by akisey mean then
"EDIT: I've only heard the first two transition yet, but you are mixing like a pro Blaz
I guess that little piece of hardware you bought clearly makes the job more comfortable " |
Maybe Akisey think the beatmatching was ok , but in my opinion it is not . |
no i didn't mean that, i mean the piece of hardware part? what did that mean... i thought he had bought decks and mixer.
I only said I use only vinyl , because I do , I don't have cd players ... and I am not willing to spin cd's .... only next year or so when I can manage to buy a digital turntable .... which make spinning with cd's the same feel as spinnin' with vinyl .
It is not about the format .... it is about the way a dj is able to mix with it .
THE WAY spinning is done with turntables (digital or not) is just the way that it is done almost everywhere .....
CD/Computer mixing and "turntable" mixing is a huge difference.
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you sound like you have never even tryied or seen a cd deck, it's not even close to computer mixing. well ok, you can't "see" the track, as you can see in vinyl, all the quiet parts, but the wheel in it lets you scratch, rotate and do anything you do with vinyl to the cd.. sure it might be more fun to mix with vinyl, but i'm just saying mixing with CD decks isn't any easier and it surely doesn't make you a less dj...
computer mixing on the otherhand is something anyone can do..
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There is a big difference between cd decks and digital turntables.
What you are showing is a digital turntable .
So get your info right
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