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DDspeed
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Registered: 07.Jun.03 |
Renoise would lost is stability only if it's programmers were too lazy to make it stable with the VST support.
Tell me one good reason why it's the VST support that makes a program unstable. It's only about the way it's programmed into the application.
For a legal user, making use of ReWire requires two programs, which both cost a lot of money. That's a nonesense.
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kondencuotas pienas
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Replies: 72
Registered: 12.Apr.04 |
DDspeed wrote on 14 Aug. (11:11) :
Renoise would lost is stability only if it's programmers were too lazy to make it stable with the VST support.
Tell me one good reason why it's the VST support that makes a program unstable. It's only about the way it's programmed into the application.
For a legal user, making use of ReWire requires two programs, which both cost a lot of money. That's a nonesense.
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thats a wise man talking. completely agreed!!
with maximum respekt, koBis/naked
kondencuotas pienas aka saltwater roller |
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slammin vinyl
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Replies: 3248
Registered: 06.Mar.04 |
I would like to see an enhanced version of rebirth added to reason, rather than having to wire the standalone product in.
I'm so 1337, no one believes me |
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Mark Versluis
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Topics: 13
Replies: 370
Registered: 15.May.04 |
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DDspeed wrote on 14 Aug. (11:11) :
Renoise would lost is stability only if it's programmers were too lazy to make it stable with the VST support.
Tell me one good reason why it's the VST support that makes a program unstable. It's only about the way it's programmed into the application.
For a legal user, making use of ReWire requires two programs, which both cost a lot of money. That's a nonesense.
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Because almost every VST is asking for a bit more programming ....
To make almost every VST fully funtionable , the programmers need to do alot of work .... For example look at mt2 , they are trying to get good vst(i) support working , but instead of that it gets unstable , while it was very stable without the support .... I never used the new version.
Renoise , is consuming alot of cpu .... and is very , very unstable .... the vsti(i) support is great and it works ok aswell .... but renoise gets unstable.
Why do you think they are fully rewriting the code ?
It is just because it is a huge mess ....
If we start talking about the old gen. trackers vst(i) support is even more terrible .
IF reason (yes that is what this topic is about) will support vst(i) in their future versions we will get the same problems.
YEs you can choose to not use the vst(i) support , but still the software needs to function to do so , and therefore it gets very buggy .....
It would be a shame , I am not a big fan of reason , but I like the software just because it is one of the few that can be used very good on a mediam class pc , without heavy cpu , memory or soundcard ....
Would be a shame if they screw it with adding the vst(i) support . |
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Randor
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Registered: 27.Dec.02 |
Agree with Mark here, and like to add there's very few softs enough stable to be used in stage gig's and reason is one of those. Stability marks more than quickly-embraced features. Reason requires some parctising but offers versatile and stable formula for those who have seen the effort learning it. You have to remember there's already crowded mass using it  |
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Anthrax
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Registered: 31.Dec.03 |
I'll never chainge away from Reason! Well, maybe if I'll get a better machine... 
New dancetrack called "You know?" is under construction. Stay tuned! Here's a preview! (325 hits) |
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Nifflas
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Topics: 80
Replies: 1599
Registered: 05.Mar.04 |
Honestly, if you want VSTi support, you should concider using something else than reason. Logic, Cubase, Sonar (with VST wrapper thingy) or why not FL studio? I got the chance to try Sonar at Zepsis place, and I liked it a lot (much better than Cubase actually).
Also, I wouldn't say that you can do everything with subtractor and malström, as someone said at this board. There are loads of different types of synths out there - FM, Analouge, Additive, Wavetable, SID emulators, Pluck Simulator, Modular Synths, Granular, and hybrids, to name a few. Also, two synths of the same kind, can sound completley different. In fact, very few synths sound the same, it's all about what sound you are after.
However, if you do like the sound of subtractor and malström (they are great synths for sure), and think they do what you need for your music, I can not see a reason not to use reason 
Fortunately, my music is much more interesting than my posts. |
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Mark Versluis
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Topics: 13
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Registered: 15.May.04 |
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Nifflas wrote on 14 Aug. (13:44) :
Honestly, if you want VSTi support, you should concider using something else than reason. Logic, Cubase, Sonar (with VST wrapper thingy) or why not FL studio? I got the chance to try Sonar at Zepsis place, and I liked it a lot (much better than Cubase actually).
Also, I wouldn't say that you can do everything with subtractor and malström, as someone said at this board. There are loads of different types of synths out there - FM, Analouge, Additive, Wavetable, SID emulators, Pluck Simulator, Modular Synths, Granular, and hybrids, to name a few. Also, two synths of the same kind, can sound completley different. In fact, very few synths sound the same, it's all about what sound you are after.
However, if you do like the sound of subtractor and malström (they are great synths for sure), and think they do what you need for your music, I can not see a reason not to use reason
Fortunately, my music is much more interesting than my posts. |
I didn't mentioned it , but I still think you can do everything with reason only .
I use reson without refills or anything , and that is more then enough for me .
Still it will never be my nr.1 haha |
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obScene
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Topics: 137
Replies: 3482
Registered: 08.Aug.03 |
My interest in Reason is the sampler... only in Reason can you layer different samples by velocity range creating dynamic and realistic instruments. You can't do it in Renoise or any other tracker, you cant do it in FL Studio.
However it's also done in alot of VSTi's... and since I cant seem to "find" alot of really good Refills that utilize NN-XT to it's full powers... I say bring on the VSTi's. The more to choose from the better, IMO.
And if you never used the new featuere, wouldn't Reason be just as stable? 
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Nifflas
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Topics: 80
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Registered: 05.Mar.04 |
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I didn't mentioned it , but I still think you can do everything with reason only. |
Well, of course you can do everything when using samples (that is, if you can find the samples you need). But then the synths in Reason can't sound in certain ways, which mine can, altrough my synths can't sound like Subtractor or Malström.
I mean "everything" is a HUGE word. The question, however, is if you actually need it to do everything anyway I just wanted to point out that there is so many different synths and sounds, that there will never be single a synth which can even synthesize 0.00001% of it.
Still, as long as your synth does what you need, there's no reason to change anything So I'm not saying you should use something else.
Fortunately, my music is much more interesting than my posts. |
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