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Analysis wrote on 24 Sep. (15:18) :
Cooth wrote on 23 Sep. (9:29) :
Trance is a completely different kind of music, aimed at different audience and for different occasions... And what do you mean by "musically accepted" anyway? It is accepted, by all those young people who listen to it, who dance to it and who produce it.
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Totally not agreed with everything that you write here. Trance aims at other ppl, but for the same occasions. Trance isn't used in many disco's actually, only the harder and more tougher styles of trance are. You can't hear many non-hard songs on the dancefloor. Unless you go to a DJ that you know that plays non-hard trance.
I use to listen to trance as background music and I used to listen to it in order to fall asleep.
There you ask me what musically accepted is. All these persons that dance to trance, usually don't give a fuck about music and want to get beer, females and drugs. A good place is a trance party, since there are many persons who want to get beer, males and drugs overthere. In there sparetime, they won't listen to trance and as soon as they get older they'll listen to something else than trance. (frans bauer or something)
What I'm asking for is that persons see trance and a type of music instead of a type of noize. I'm confronted in my life with the fact that a lot of peeps that don't like trance see trance a simplified piece of shit.
Now, pardon me, but I think that R&B is a simplified piece of shit. However, I know that my opinion is only my opinion and that music itself is subjective. I can't tell anyone that listens to r&b that he/she knows nothing about sounds. We are simply on a different perpective of music. I simply dont understand r&b, and when I say that I think that r&b is a simplified piece of shit then I'm only describing MY views on it.
There oint here is that when persons that that trance is simple, fine by me, but it could also be that you simply missed the complicated point. So stop treating trance like noise, and start saying 'trance is music, but I don't understand it'. That's what I ment with 'musically accepted'.
Cooth wrote on 23 Sep. (9:29) :
This comment here is not aimed at anybody in particular, but sometimes I feel that trance (and not only trance) people can't accept the fact not everybody (especially in the older generation, but not only as we know) shares their musical taste. They call it ultimate music etc. One should understand there is no ultimate music, not classical, not baroque, not trance and not jazz... there are different kinds of music, they have different characteristics and they all have the right to exist, be liked and disliked. And besides, do you really care if anyone except you likes the style you love? Why would one care what is considered superior or inferior?
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Exactly my point. Be a little tolerant to other ppl's opinion about music, it's surely no better then yours, but its also no worse then yours.
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I'm not sure if you got me right. My point was: why do you care by whom is trance accepted as music? It's your stuff, you like it, that's what matters. It is accepted by you and many many other people, but not all of them. Is that a problem?
Classical and trance are 2 different areas in my opinion. Classical is more widely accepted because it's better known and, I still dare to say, more universal. Still, some young people say it's boring - boring crap for dinosaurs (so they obviously don't accept it either).
But anyway, classical concerts have a completely different atmosphere than blues, trance, rock, folk etc. You are more likely to hear some classical music on some occasion connected with art, poetry, attended by many different people and being an elevated, cultural event. But if you make a party at home, you won't play classical stuff, will you.
What you yourself do is just about your preferences... I for example listened to metal in bed in the evening quite often, but it doesn't mean anything, that's just a personal choice.
Tolerance is a slightly different matter. You can dislike stuff, but you let others listen to what they want and you respect that. And that's EVEN if you think some genre is not music just noise, you can be tolerant.
PS. all this is not about music being simple or complex. As I said in one topic, I like simple music and I think it can be brilliant.
PS2: sorry if some things don't make sense, I'm feeling very sleepy. 
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I was saying: stop argumenting about it. Many peeps that I know, agrue with me about trance. While I say --> we dont understand each other, and talking about isn't going to help.
Just accept trance as music, you don't have to like it. But stop telling my that I'm an idiot for liking it.
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Analysis wrote on 24 Sep. (15:23) :
PPH wrote on 24 Sep. (12:27) :
What about the soundtrack of "Run, Lola, Run" ("Lola Rennt" auf Deutsch). Is that trance or techno? I liked the music in that movie. And it was totally electronic.
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Download a techno song from 'VP and a trance song from Gerry Cueto (try salty rain). Then listen to 'run lola run' and tell me if it was trance or techno.. diferences are huge between those too, so I'm sure you can do it.
Basically, if it has melodies and a 4/4, then its trance. (if I have to believe ferry corsten  )
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I was under the impression it was techno. Moreover, in TV they said it was techno. But I'll do what you say. I thought that techno could have melodies and a 4/4 beat.
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Cooth wrote on 24 Sep. (15:44) :
Analysis wrote on 24 Sep. (15:18) :
Cooth wrote on 23 Sep. (9:29) :
Trance is a completely different kind of music, aimed at different audience and for different occasions... And what do you mean by "musically accepted" anyway? It is accepted, by all those young people who listen to it, who dance to it and who produce it.
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Totally not agreed with everything that you write here. Trance aims at other ppl, but for the same occasions. Trance isn't used in many disco's actually, only the harder and more tougher styles of trance are. You can't hear many non-hard songs on the dancefloor. Unless you go to a DJ that you know that plays non-hard trance.
I use to listen to trance as background music and I used to listen to it in order to fall asleep.
There you ask me what musically accepted is. All these persons that dance to trance, usually don't give a fuck about music and want to get beer, females and drugs. A good place is a trance party, since there are many persons who want to get beer, males and drugs overthere. In there sparetime, they won't listen to trance and as soon as they get older they'll listen to something else than trance. (frans bauer or something)
What I'm asking for is that persons see trance and a type of music instead of a type of noize. I'm confronted in my life with the fact that a lot of peeps that don't like trance see trance a simplified piece of shit.
Now, pardon me, but I think that R&B is a simplified piece of shit. However, I know that my opinion is only my opinion and that music itself is subjective. I can't tell anyone that listens to r&b that he/she knows nothing about sounds. We are simply on a different perpective of music. I simply dont understand r&b, and when I say that I think that r&b is a simplified piece of shit then I'm only describing MY views on it.
There oint here is that when persons that that trance is simple, fine by me, but it could also be that you simply missed the complicated point. So stop treating trance like noise, and start saying 'trance is music, but I don't understand it'. That's what I ment with 'musically accepted'.
Cooth wrote on 23 Sep. (9:29) :
This comment here is not aimed at anybody in particular, but sometimes I feel that trance (and not only trance) people can't accept the fact not everybody (especially in the older generation, but not only as we know) shares their musical taste. They call it ultimate music etc. One should understand there is no ultimate music, not classical, not baroque, not trance and not jazz... there are different kinds of music, they have different characteristics and they all have the right to exist, be liked and disliked. And besides, do you really care if anyone except you likes the style you love? Why would one care what is considered superior or inferior?
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Exactly my point. Be a little tolerant to other ppl's opinion about music, it's surely no better then yours, but its also no worse then yours.
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I'm not sure if you got me right. My point was: why do you care by whom is trance accepted as music? It's your stuff, you like it, that's what matters. It is accepted by you and many many other people, but not all of them. Is that a problem?
Classical and trance are 2 different areas in my opinion. Classical is more widely accepted because it's better known and, I still dare to say, more universal. Still, some young people say it's boring - boring crap for dinosaurs (so they obviously don't accept it either).
But anyway, classical concerts have a completely different atmosphere than blues, trance, rock, folk etc. You are more likely to hear some classical music on some occasion connected with art, poetry, attended by many different people and being an elevated, cultural event. But if you make a party at home, you won't play classical stuff, will you.
What you yourself do is just about your preferences... I for example listened to metal in bed in the evening quite often, but it doesn't mean anything, that's just a personal choice.
Tolerance is a slightly different matter. You can dislike stuff, but you let others listen to what they want and you respect that. And that's EVEN if you think some genre is not music just noise, you can be tolerant.
PS. all this is not about music being simple or complex. As I said in one topic, I like simple music and I think it can be brilliant.
PS2: sorry if some things don't make sense, I'm feeling very sleepy.
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I totally agree with Cooth here.
To be tolerant doesn't mean not to criticize things. To be tolerant means accept let others leave their way, as long as they don't violate your rights, even if you don't like their way. Let me give you an example. I am an atheist and Cooth is a catholic. So, let's suppose Cooth said "I think atheistm sucks. How can someone not accept the authority and existence of God? This is terrible. I wish there weren't any atheism.". That's not being intolerant. He doesn't like atheism and is expressing an opinion, and as I'm tolerant, I shouldn't react violently. I could argue, but not react violently.
If he said: "All atheists should be killed! Fuck atheists! Divorce should be forbidden! All religions but catholic should be forbidden!" he would be promoting the abolishment of some of my individual rights. That's being intolerant.
See the difference?
So, if I don't like trance, I can voice my opinion. I can say trance is shit. What I can't do is promote the banning of trance or use violence against trance lovers.
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Cooth
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PPH wrote on 24 Sep. (16:18) :
I am an atheist and Cooth is a catholic. So, et's suppose Cooth said "I think atheistm sucks. How can someone not accept the authority and existence of God? This is terrible. I wish there weren't any atheism.". That's not being intolerant. He doesn't like atheism and is expressing an opinion, and as I'm tolerant, I shouldn't react violently. I could argue, but not react violently.
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Ehm, a word of clarification. I'm not catholic, I'm protestant (Lutheran), however right now I consider myself agnostic, more or less. In fact, I don't like most of the catholicism especially in Poland (though I'm tolerant  ), it's too phoney, fake and corrupted. But this is not the topic, just wanted to straighten things up.
Analysis:
Just accept trance as music, you don't have to like it. But stop telling my that I'm an idiot for liking it.
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I hope you know I never said or thought something that horrible.  I'd be an idiot if I said you were an idiot because you like anything you like.
I just wanted to say: if somebody doesn't accept your music, don't care about it too much... my brother doesn't like blues and he obviously doesn't accept it, which I don't care about. I like blues and I'm happy with that.
I know, it's irritating when somebody tells you what you should or shouldn't like, and I totally agree we should never do that.
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In my personal life, where I meet many high educated ppl, there is this idea that everyone who listens to trance must have a low IQ.
Here's what I'm saying --> that's bullshit. I get the feeling from those ppl that they believe that I'm stuid because I like trance. I don't think thats being tolerant. That's all I was saying. Ofcourse you may crtitize trance.
I think that music itself is in its nature subjective, which means that there is an option to think different about music. Not everything need to be discussed about.
When I keep this in mind, then I certainly cannot believe that ppl think that their opinion about music should be the idea's of everyone who listens to music. At a certain time, we should stop discussion and start agreeing on the fact that we disagree.
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Cooth wrote on 24 Sep. (16:43) :
I hope you know I never said or thought something that horrible. I'd be an idiot if I said you were an idiot because you like anything you like.
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Of course I never thought you said anything like that. Its just were I'm argueing against.
Cooth wrote on 24 Sep. (16:43) :
I just wanted to say: if somebody doesn't accept your music, don't care about it too much... my brother doesn't like blues and he obviously doesn't accept it, which I don't care about. I like blues and I'm happy with that.
I know, it's irritating when somebody tells you what you should or shouldn't like, and I totally agree we should never do that.
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I start caring when someone starts to yell at me that I'm an idiot for liking a particular type of music. I also care when I play the music at a party, and all ppl jump all over me, because they all don't like it. (while 25% of the persons at the party DO like it though). When I play trance in a weekend and not everyone likes it, then repect the fact that I do, and shut up. In 5 minutes the song is over and something else will be playing.
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Cooth wrote on 24 Sep. (16:43) :
PPH wrote on 24 Sep. (16:18) :
I am an atheist and Cooth is a catholic. So, et's suppose Cooth said "I think atheistm sucks. How can someone not accept the authority and existence of God? This is terrible. I wish there weren't any atheism.". That's not being intolerant. He doesn't like atheism and is expressing an opinion, and as I'm tolerant, I shouldn't react violently. I could argue, but not react violently.
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Ehm, a word of clarification. I'm not catholic, I'm protestant (Lutheran), however right now I consider myself agnostic, more or less. In fact, I don't like most of the catholicism especially in Poland (though I'm tolerant ), it's too phoney, fake and corrupted. But this is not the topic, just wanted to straighten things up.
Analysis:
Just accept trance as music, you don't have to like it. But stop telling my that I'm an idiot for liking it.
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I hope you know I never said or thought something that horrible. I'd be an idiot if I said you were an idiot because you like anything you like.
I just wanted to say: if somebody doesn't accept your music, don't care about it too much... my brother doesn't like blues and he obviously doesn't accept it, which I don't care about. I like blues and I'm happy with that.
I know, it's irritating when somebody tells you what you should or shouldn't like, and I totally agree we should never do that.
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Ooops, sorry about that. I assumed you were catholic because you're from Poland  Stupid me. By the way, I was baptised in a Luteran church too 
EDIT: Er...Analysis, nobody here said people who likes trance are stupid.
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Based on the audition of a techno track by VP and a trance track by Gerry Cueto, I'd say that the soundtrack of "Lola Rennt" is trance. Yet, I thought that VP's track was trance 
From Darkness To Light, my newest track.
"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine"
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hmmz, could you give me the exact name of that song? I'll download it and tell you want I think.
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