acecream
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MatthijsB wrote on 22 Mar. (11:54) :
and therefor they shouldn't be bitching about samplepacks because they will have a better result anyway.
my 2 cents, splitted in 3 messages, kinda lame but i just keep getiing things in my head that i should add  |
szartd > hehe sorry for posting again i just need to clear this missunderstanding.
matthijs> i know that in reason is very easy to use wav samples, i said that couse it would be impossible to verify all the songs since people would need to show as source files of their music to verify what did they used and if wee get songs made in 20 different programs we need to have all of those on our maschines aswell and we need to know how to use them to verify the songs.I hope you see my point now.  |
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MatthijsB
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I don't really see why reason user have an advantage? |
the average tracker user hasn't got (proper) reverb, distortion, flanger and phaser and so on right? that seems like an advantage to me.
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It's not only the cpmposing that matters when making music. Another big thing is to be able to do a good mix of samples etc. etc. |
true true, there should be some variety in samples so most of the genres are do-able that's really hard
And IF people would vote for a samplepack then one should be able to at least edit all the samples....
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I also think mp3 is the only solution to judge all the entries fair. It's hard to compare tracked music with pianoroll based music.... |
good point, nevertheless there are still people with low bandwidth internet which could cause them quite some trouble also the ones who use the old trackers most likely will have a computer which isn't that good so even if they should enter as mp3 they can't even make their music (with post production/mastering) as good as reason can It's just not fair.
maybe it's just a better idea to do 2 sections in the compo where everybody is free in any way to produce their music....
just split it into the oldschool music progs (impulse, modplug, ft2) en the nuschool stuph (fruity, reason, buzz, MT2, Renoise).
on the other hand CTG claims to be a scene site and as most of the sceners say Reason is no real scene software compared to Impulse/Modplug/FT2/Buzz/MT2/Renoise/Psycle, therefore CTG should uphold their scener status by having good compos in a traditional way.
Those are quite a few:
* use samplepack (public or official reviewing team decides winner)
* entire freedom whatsoever (public or official reviewing team decides winner)
2 subcatagories in theses 2 mentioned so that makes for possibilities which were mostly used in the scene.
I could even make it more extreme, since this is a scene site and reason is no scene software we could exclude al reason people from the compo (that would be a really bad thing but nevertheless this is the truth)
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Also it would be cool if we made a ctg record with the top 10 tunes that we could try and sell over internet in stores etc. etc. |
in this case the music should have a decent quality else it is just a lost cause. |
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MatthijsB
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acecream wrote on 22 Mar. (12:38) :
matthijs> i know that in reason is very easy to use wav samples, i said that couse it would be impossible to verify all the songs since people would need to show as source files of their music to verify what did they used and if wee get songs made in 20 different programs we need to have all of those on our maschines aswell and we need to know how to use them to verify the songs.I hope you see my point now. |
gotit, imo it is just for the best to give the musicians entire freedom (wow i actually changed my opinion radically now didn't I ) but then i think it's only fair to split the compo into the new school music software and the oldschool so the compo's will be as fair as possible...
Also i think it would be best to create a reviewing team which provides every song with about 2 reviews (for the compo only, meaning the competing artists can't ask to see these reviews and so the reviewers will stay anonymous and can rate as fair as possible without suffering any lame concequences).
And i hereby apply to help reviewing in the compo if this will be the way we do this  |
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Szartd
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acecream wrote on 22 Mar. (12:38) :
MatthijsB wrote on 22 Mar. (11:54) :
and therefor they shouldn't be bitching about samplepacks because they will have a better result anyway.
my 2 cents, splitted in 3 messages, kinda lame but i just keep getiing things in my head that i should add |
szartd > hehe sorry for posting again i just need to clear this missunderstanding.
matthijs> i know that in reason is very easy to use wav samples, i said that couse it would be impossible to verify all the songs since people would need to show as source files of their music to verify what did they used and if wee get songs made in 20 different programs we need to have all of those on our maschines aswell and we need to know how to use them to verify the songs.I hope you see my point now. |
Hehe , damn you !  ... ok I forgive you , last time we said anything about it in here
Hehe , I see MB is going well now heheheheheh ..
Oops , now I replied also in this topic
een appel valt niet ver van de boom als het een peer is ! www.mp3.com/szartd |
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MatthijsB
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LOL 
I guess my last little plan is pretty good... meltic storm come and criticize I need to work this plan out properly so make me see the things that won't work 
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MatthijsB wrote on 22 Mar. (13:17) :
LOL
I guess my last little plan is pretty good... meltic storm come and criticize I need to work this plan out properly so make me see the things that won't work
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Hehe, I'll try
I don't think the solution is to just not accept people who made their song in Reason. For all I know we can exclude songs from FL2 too then? I don't know if I like or dislike that the reviewers are gonna be anonymous... We all seen what can happen if some of the reviewers don't are well informed, have enough experiens etc. etc. The latest insident we have at madtracker.org Enigmatic Statement as an example with his incredible great track Verve did almost not place in top 20 because of some reviewers strange and useless reviews. There were numbers of the same incident in that compo. (You also know which reviewers I'm NOT talking about so don't get upset you guys  I think you did a GREAT job with your reviews) If the reviewers also are anonymous it will be alot harder to stop this kinda incidents. Maybe it could work if we all choose some reliable persons together that have made good reviews here on ctg and on other sites, maybe then.....
I also agree with the part that we should split the compo in two ways of producing. The question is just, are one able to join both compo? And if the tracking compo only accept the source files it gets kinda unfair against thoose who wants to do some post production on their tunes, should they be able to compeate in the other compo against reason producers etc. etc.? And if they are not able to do that then we have a compo that consists of only mp3 anyway, and then you can as well put on all the fx's in your mastering program after exported your song. People who use madtracker and other pay-programs and not have payed for it won't be able to compeate then. So it's a lot of questions that needs to be answered... 
Shit, I guess it got kinda blury put I hope you all get my point 
One man once said that you shouldnt listen to old sayings |
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XnmE
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Any samplepack please!
MatthijsB wrote:
"compo should be fair and in my opinion the only way to make sure it is fair for all is to do it with a sample pack"
Hey ANY compo is really fair, we use diffrent programs, different CPUs...We create music in different styles. Its just a play, compo is made to have fun. Lets make just an MP3 compo without limits like a samplepack or something. Compo for all.
I dont like compo samplepacks, sometimes i want to participate in a compo, but samples are "not in my taste" and i cant do anything with them. I cant do anything with trance samples if i want to make a rock ballad. You can make a "style limited compo" like for example a trance compo or rock compo, but i think it's not good idea... coz anyone want to make a rock compo for me
If you want to split compo into two parts... ok, maybe its a good idea...
first part for XM, IT (without VST fx), MT2 (but you have a few rules to get proper playbeck of mt2 files)
second for mp3 songs - for users of every soft, any limits, you can master your song or not, you can also make IT or MT2 module using HQ samples then your song has a 50 mb size, so just convert it to mp3 and participate in this part of compo .
That's my point.
Forgive me my crappy English
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XnmE
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XnmE wrote on 22 Mar. (16:56) :
Any samplepack please!
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well... I meant I dont want a samplepack of course 
buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...... - just "buuu" |
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MatthijsB
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I don't think the solution is to just not accept people who made their song in Reason. For all I know we can exclude songs from FL2 too then? |
as i said in my reply before this 1 that indeed would suck.
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I don't know if I like or dislike that the reviewers are gonna be anonymous... We all seen what can happen if some of the reviewers don't are well informed, have enough experiens etc. etc. The latest insident we have at madtracker.org Enigmatic Statement as an example with his incredible great track Verve did almost not place in top 20 because of some reviewers strange and useless reviews. There were numbers of the same incident in that compo. (You also know which reviewers I'm NOT talking about so don't get upset you guys I think you did a GREAT job with your reviews) If the reviewers also are anonymous it will be alot harder to stop this kinda incidents. Maybe it could work if we all choose some reliable persons together that have made good reviews here on ctg and on other sites, maybe then..... |
i absolutely agree, some proper reviewers should do this. Again I would like the ones who reviewed the song to stay anonymous for the competitors.
It would be a good idea for the reviewers to make sure they know who reviewed what song so if there is any problem we know where to resolve it. I really don't like the fact that the whole public will know he made an error/mistake because I am sure the reviewer gave his best shot to do the review. Keeping him anonymous makes it possible for them to learn without falling too hard, now there is nothing wrong with that is there. note: there must be a few reviewers to check the other reviews out if they seem correct, my guess is that 3 persons would be enough to oversee what is happening with the reviews for the compo.
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I also agree with the part that we should split the compo in two ways of producing. The question is just, are one able to join both compo? And if the tracking compo only accept the source files it gets kinda unfair against thoose who wants to do some post production on their tunes, should they be able to compeate in the other compo against reason producers etc. etc.? And if they are not able to do that then we have a compo that consists of only mp3 anyway, and then you can as well put on all the fx's in your mastering program after exported your song. People who use madtracker and other pay-programs and not have payed for it won't be able to compeate then. So it's a lot of questions that needs to be answered... |
your english isn't too good here but I'll give my best shot on answering.
I think it would be best to split the compo in 2 sections as i already mentioned, but now when I read your comments i seem to have missed something (thanx for commenting ). Maybe a mp3 part of the compo and a module part of the compo would be best.
I mean if somebody wants to postproduce his tracked song, let him do it! This does mean he will enter a compo with lots of reason people but that shouldn't mind. It is hard to create good quality tracked music but it is possible!!! In fact I almost won a record deal with a tracked song a year ago! So it is possible to make quality music with a tracker.
The trackers can just join in on the tracker part of the compo.
And the guys that don't want to spread their source will have to enter the mp3 contest too if they really want to enter.
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MatthijsB
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and as i see this whole crappy commenting by me i think it's best to throw all songs in 1 compo. no special parts or anything. Everybody can do what they want. It's too hard to split it into 2 exact parts.
example: Buzz is a tracker but supports some awesome effects like reason. But since it is a tracker should it be with the trackers (which mostly suck compared to buzz and reason) or should it be in the reason/fruityloops catagory...
Just get all songs in one compo and let everybody do wat they want,after all it's for fun, nothing else! But I do think the compo should have a specific genre of music allowed only cauz it's really hard to compare songs with different styles with eachother since they're completely different. So 1 style allowed per compo, everybody who wants to join, join! But don't get mad because other people have better/other software because no matter what program you use it comes down to creativity!
about the reviewers thing I still think it will work best as i described. |
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