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As I was mastering a track it got me thinking... 
I've often read in mastering tutorials that it is common practise to strap a limiter across a drum track. But me typically hating limiters, I never really got into the gist of doing that. Instead I rather preferred to limit any peaks that remained after have done compression at the very end of the mastering process to bring the signal up to a suitable level.
But with the availability of Waves' new L3 Multimaximizer technology you're now able to do both multiband compression and limiting in one step, so I thought this could certainly be a benefit when applied to drum tracks, or in the case of the master I was working on, a nasty peak in a lead track.
I think limiting such tracks (especially drums) could actually be better because it got me thinking that when limiting at the end of the mastering process, any leads, vocals or similar instruments would be squashed down in the same way as the drums. But essentially it's really only the drums that need limiting because they're usually what cause the peaks. 
So what are other people's s thoughts on that? Do you limit your drums tracks separately and then perhaps only leave the need to limit with 1 or 2 dB at the very end, if not at all? I'm going to give the Waves L3 a try I think and see what kind of results I get doing things this way...
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Atlantis wrote on 28 Sep. (17:27) :
Void Pointer wrote on 28 Sep. (17:26) :
Limiting + techno = 
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Not the other way around?  
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Oh.... well, 
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MatthijsB wrote on 29 Sep. (9:35) :
never used limiting, won't do it either, not even in techno.... actually especially not in techno, dynamics in the drums are way too important to limit it all.
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1 or 2 dB will usually be unnoticeable though and certainly wouldn't reduce the dynamics. OK technically it does, but I just use it to shave off any remaining peaks after having done compression and since the ear is more susceptible to the average volume rather then peak volume, you really don't notice a reduction in dynamics.
But about the L3: I found it's really only a tool for the final step in the mastering process. Actually I think it's some soft of intelligent limiter that will limit a certain amount and way based on the input signal, so it looks to be very cool indeed. I'll be using it from now on for sure, but still I think I'm going to try following some drum tracks with the L3 limiter itself (without the multi-band capabilities) and see if it gives better results.
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MatthijsB wrote on 29 Sep. (9:35) :
especially not in techno, dynamics in the drums are way too important to limit it all.
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i could even say "no you're wrong" but let's just say i disagree 
techno is a genre which uses master limiting and compressing the most..
and it fits like heaven...
check out those force supreme tracks, you'll hear some amazing use of (over)compressing and limiting
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a98 wrote on 29 Sep. (10:32) :
MatthijsB wrote on 29 Sep. (9:35) :
especially not in techno, dynamics in the drums are way too important to limit it all.
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i could even say "no you're wrong" but let's just say i disagree
techno is a genre which uses master limiting and compressing the most..
and it fits like heaven...
check out those force supreme tracks, you'll hear some amazing use of (over)compressing and limiting
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I was just gonna say that, I mean, techno without limiting and compressing is powerless crap
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a98 wrote on 29 Sep. (10:32) :
MatthijsB wrote on 29 Sep. (9:35) :
especially not in techno, dynamics in the drums are way too important to limit it all.
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i could even say "no you're wrong" but let's just say i disagree
techno is a genre which uses master limiting and compressing the most..
and it fits like heaven...
check out those force supreme tracks, you'll hear some amazing use of (over)compressing and limiting
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yup but he's only one of the very few who does it right
and his beats also have very subtle details, which would be boosted like hell if he limited it that much... as far as i know, he doesn't even limit his master channel... oh well.
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MatthijsB wrote on 30 Sep. (10:09) :
a98 wrote on 29 Sep. (10:32) :
MatthijsB wrote on 29 Sep. (9:35) :
especially not in techno, dynamics in the drums are way too important to limit it all.
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i could even say "no you're wrong" but let's just say i disagree
techno is a genre which uses master limiting and compressing the most..
and it fits like heaven...
check out those force supreme tracks, you'll hear some amazing use of (over)compressing and limiting
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yup but he's only one of the very few who does it right
and his beats also have very subtle details, which would be boosted like hell if he limited it that much... as far as i know, he doesn't even limit his master channel... oh well.
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by my experience limiting/compressing master channel and limiting/compressing master audio (wav file) sounds different?
is there any proofen theory for this?
atleast when you do it for the wav, you'll get to do it for normalized file.
anyway anyone who knows anything about post production can hear that force supreme tracks have A LOT of master compressing.
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