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Chris Edberg
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G4NJ4 wrote on 16 Jan. (1:19) :
Kricke wrote on 16 Jan. (0:59) :
I really hate the thumbs up / thumbs down system. It's like rating a song 1 or 2. I guess it isn't so nice to see a huge thumb down next time you log in and no words at all which explains it. Looks rather like an insult IMO. Music is not black or white. Far from it.
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It can be a small thumb if you wish  If you had known the system I was talking about you would know you wouldn't get a scary thumb presented to as a fragile artist, you'd get a scale, percentage or whatever representing how many liked your song.
Whatever happens, the main criteria I have on reviews/votes/rates are that they're not taken too seriously. |
I understand your pow, but I'm not sure if it's the ultimate solution. It takes like at least 50 votes to get an accurate rating out from 1 and 2. And since most downloaders don't bother even to write a little comment I'm not sure if they will "dare" to send a thumb down iether.
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Kricke wrote on 16 Jan. (1:53) :
I understand your pow, but I'm not sure if it's the ultimate solution. It takes like at least 50 votes to get an accurate rating out from 1 and 2. And since most downloaders don't bother even to write a little comment I'm not sure if they will "dare" to send a thumb down either. |
There will never be an accurate rating or an ultimate solution anyway. |
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Louigi Verona
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Cooth wrote on 15 Jan. (21:33) :
Hmmmm well, if we're talking about quick ratings, I'm rather on Boomerang's side of the baricade.
I don't like my music to be evaluated with a number. Music is not maths. It doesn't mean I don't want to get feedback; it means a number isn't feedback in my opinion.
Charts are working the way they are, and the less we are concerned if the top song is actually the best one, the better for us. If you have found a great song you think your friends should hear, recommend it to them, write a comment to the artist (he'll surely appreciate it more than a meaningless quick rating), write a review. You can do all those things and some more.
Climbing up the charts on CTG means no money, no wider fame or anything. We're not here to gain fame among the 500 or so people who will maybe spot us in the charts and think: wow, he's someone, he's high in the charts. We're here to share music, and one huge advantage of CTG (as for me) is that it's the way it is, cameral, friendly, "warm" and not anonymous. I don't get some number from faceless "fans" or "antifans"; I get an opinion from obScene, ND, Delux and other nice people.
If your goal is more than just amateur music and friendly reviews, then, apart from visiting CTG and hanging around, do something about it, even #1 at CTG means nothing for the showbusiness out there, now does it... Why adjust CTG to such goals, it's not this kind of website. I think. Unless there's something I don't know and CTG is supposed to become a professional career helper with scouts checking the charts regularly.
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Great words. I totally agree. But I can also tell you that you are just being true with yourself and the situation. I personally know ppl who care about CTG ratings as if it was UK Top Charts.
"If you set your mind to it, you can accomplish anything."
Doc Emmet Brown.
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you both on the money here, and i agree with both argument, however - for some people, it IS about status.
you may not go on to be a pro - you may not even want to - however, you MAY want to be recognised as being very good at what you do, and not just getting lost in scene that is full of some very good musicians, as well as some very bad.
if 50 people dl, but only 1 reviews - then there are issues in that people cba to write a review - or they know if they do, it will be short and probably end up getting removed, so why bother.
but - take a site like hot or not, its easy to determine an average score from many many votes. however, this isn't hot or not, the quality of people here are much higher and as such i feel a quick `rating` system would benefit.
from 50 `quick votes` you could see a good/bad average score for a track, the thumbs up/down idea sucks, people want to see ratings. |
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Cooth
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dr3amz wrote on 16 Jan. (10:22) :
you may not go on to be a pro - you may not even want to - however, you MAY want to be recognised as being very good at what you do, and not just getting lost in scene that is full of some very good musicians, as well as some very bad.
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I agree and I would like that too, but it's no reason to make quick ratings. There are some great and recognisable CTGers, like Troupe, ND, obScene, who do have their status. But on CTG, it's not just the music you make, but also how active you are, how many reviews you WRITE, how much you help. If you become a "friend" in the community, your songs will not remain unnoticed.
It's how a relatively small community site works, which is great in my opinion.
if 50 people dl, but only 1 reviews - then there are issues in that people cba to write a review - or they know if they do, it will be short and probably end up getting removed, so why bother.
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Magical words: comment box. Alternative for those who don't want to write a decent review.
I still don't know how a meaningless number can be better than words.
but - take a site like hot or not, its easy to determine an average score from many many votes. however, this isn't hot or not, the quality of people here are much higher and as such i feel a quick `rating` system would benefit.
from 50 `quick votes` you could see a good/bad average score for a track, the thumbs up/down idea sucks, people want to see ratings. |
I don't. 
Don't get me wrong; I won't leave in anger if they are introduced. I just think they're of no use, at least for me personally. If you want to climb up the charts, do what others do: keep making good music, write reviews and above all be a part of the community. Communities by nature don't fancy "gray eminences" who would rule the charts, but stay away from sight.
But as I said: if you manage to convince Ace to do the coding  I won't be angry or anything, though I will not use that. In fact, choosing the rating is the part of reviewing I like least.
I would put a tax on all people who post to forums.
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Louigi Verona
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I think that a quick rating system is a good idea to try. If it doesn't work, it can be removed.
As for ppl who dld and don't even bother to leave a comment, I am interested why they don't do it. If I like the tune and don't want to write a review, I leave a comment - it takes like 40 sec. Would someone of those who never leave a comment explain?
Oh - I forgot. They probably don't post at forums too. They just read. 
"If you set your mind to it, you can accomplish anything."
Doc Emmet Brown.
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Chris Edberg
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G4NJ4 wrote on 16 Jan. (4:02) :
Kricke wrote on 16 Jan. (1:53) :
I understand your pow, but I'm not sure if it's the ultimate solution. It takes like at least 50 votes to get an accurate rating out from 1 and 2. And since most downloaders don't bother even to write a little comment I'm not sure if they will "dare" to send a thumb down either. |
There will never be an accurate rating or an ultimate solution anyway. |
Maybe not directly. But you can get closer to it with some work. A thumb up / thumb down system is imo far from accurate and ultimate.
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Cooth
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Louigi Verona wrote on 16 Jan. (13:10) :
I think that a quick rating system is a good idea to try. If it doesn't work, it can be removed.
As for ppl who dld and don't even bother to leave a comment, I am interested why they don't do it. If I like the tune and don't want to write a review, I leave a comment - it takes like 40 sec. Would someone of those who never leave a comment explain?
Oh - I forgot. They probably don't post at forums too. They just read.
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The problem is, you start the download, close the page and may listen to the song later. Then you need some more good will to find the song page again to write a comment.
I would put a tax on all people who post to forums.
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Chris Edberg
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Louigi Verona wrote on 16 Jan. (13:10) :
I think that a quick rating system is a good idea to try. If it doesn't work, it can be removed.
As for ppl who dld and don't even bother to leave a comment, I am interested why they don't do it. If I like the tune and don't want to write a review, I leave a comment - it takes like 40 sec. Would someone of those who never leave a comment explain?
Oh - I forgot. They probably don't post at forums too. They just read.
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I guess they are just average listeners searching good music. They don't bother more than DC++ downloaders for instance (however sure, there's much harder to give feedback to commerical artists.) But as I've seen some do, they just download, download, download, commercial or not... They just want to fill their space with a lot of MP3's they don't even have the time to listen to iether. So when they finally found a nice song I guess it's hard to go back and find the feedback source of it, after big adventures.
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Louigi Verona
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Yes, you are probably right.
"If you set your mind to it, you can accomplish anything."
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