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MarkDior
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that seems very true in the femle DJ Scene, im yet to see a not so pretty female DJ, with rather small boobs (talking about bigname DJ's, not underground - bedroom)
Music creates order out of chaos: for rhythm imposes unanimity upon the divergent, melody imposes continuity upon the disjointed, and harmony imposes compatibility upon the incongruous. --Yehudi Menuhin :
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Project X43
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Haha, Baby Anne's aren't that big. But she looks good in leather... I saw her recently and there was this other chick up on stage. It dawned on me that sometimes you just need to look good to get attention. This other chick put on the headphones, didn't actually touch a record...just threw her hand out along with the beat and the crowd went nuts. Then again, she was wearing this relatively slutty outift. That chick gave away some CDs and I got a copy of one and it sounded like crap on plastic.
Reality is sex is always gonna sell music. Most mixed CDs that I've seen that don't have a picture of the DJ on the cover always have some sort of hot chick or something. Sex will sell just about anything, except maybe bibles.
DJ Irene's not hot at all... but I found 20 hits for her on Amazon.com. So there's always exceptions to the rule. |
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benefit of the boomerang
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
"Life is a play and you a terrible actor."
- Music says so much more than words |
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Project X43
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| Who said anything about beauty? I think Sex appeal and beauty are two different things. There are all too many physically attractive girls that are horrible when you look at them as overall "human beings", and vice versa. For most people...Sex sells, not true human beauty or innovation. |
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benefit of the boomerang
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DJ Novator wrote on 27 Jun. (14:59) :
Who said anything about beauty? I think Sex appeal and beauty are two different things. There are all too many physically attractive girls that are horrible when you look at them as overall "human beings", and vice versa. For most people...Sex sells, not true human beauty or innovation. |
Duuuuuuuuuude, wake up and smell the daffodiles man ..
That's a SAYING. One does not take that too literal ..
Wot I was saying that all those sex-appealing mtv whores may get the
teens spray their shorts but won't affect me the least.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Wot I hate, you may love and vice versa.
Clear .. ?
"Life is a play and you a terrible actor."
- Music says so much more than words |
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Analysis
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Project X43
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Hmm... I'm gonna throw a hot chick in club clothes on my next mix CD and see if it sells more than my last one.  |
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mishmash
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Is it not once again down to who you know??? Theres a lot of sh*t in the charts that has been signed by labels and has in my opinion been badly produced (ie over compressed etc) or them goddam aweful remixes of the same tune which come out year after year after year? I think if u can make any kinda music be it cheesey catchy good or rubbish, if you've got a friend in the business you can prob get it published but if your making damn fine music but no means of forming a good friendship with someone at a label then you will find it much harder?
Gopher wrote on 13 May. (7:37) :
Well, it depends on who you're writing for.
If you want to make money out of this stuff, you're either going to have to be 1337, or whore your ideals to what is "pop".
If you're writing for yourself, then it's up to you to satisfy your own boundaries of knowledge and ability, and to hell with the rest.
I think the whole "loud and in your face" thing is very much a common theme between young adults and teenagers. When they get a bit older, realise they have to get a job and that party time is over, they probably realise that dance et al isn't all that there is. I know plenty of people with an appreciation of wider genres (in the most unexpected places too).
My opinion? To hell with everyone else. Unless you want to become rich and famous from music, you think of satisfying yourself first. If everyone else happens to like it, then thats a bonus. If you want to be taken seriously, it has to sound the part. For me, thats not hard; a bit of cash here and there and I have some nice samples that sound vaguely realistic, which, with the right perfectionist attitude is acceptable. For you guys... well, you'll have to find that barrier yourself.
Don't try and ingratiate the public. They're an ungrateful lot. ;o)
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Project X43
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You're right. A lot of it is who you know and how much influence they have. I think the whole point is being heard. You really have to know someone who will get your music out there to the forefront and do their damndest to keep it there. If you don't make or spin a popular style of music, as I said in one of my first posts on the subject, you've gotta find the market yourself. People aren't going to come to your bedroom and want to buy your music.
As we've seen in many posts, and I think this holds true over all, it's not necessarily the music that you're making...it's the marketing. If you make a popular style then it's a bit easier. But if you know someone who will market your music, they've got ways to persuade the public into buying the music and making money. The artists that fail (usually) aren't because they're bad artists...it's because their marketing sucked.
And again it really depends on how far you down the rabbit hole you want to go. If you want to be known by underground scenes, post your music or get it to a DJ. The DJ's spin it, people and other DJ's will want to know who made it and have it for their own collection. This method takes longer, but it works.
If you want to be known by the world, send your music to a record rep and stand by until you hear something back (if ever).
Overall...If you want to be taken seriously, be good at what you do, perfect your skill to a science. As an artist, IMHO, you should never sacrifice your integrity to make a buck, there's no honor in that. If you want to be famous, no one knows who you are. You've gotta be heard. And the main point of being "heard" is getting your music out there so people can "hear" it. As a word of warning, don't get upset if people don't like it. That'll just let you know the types of people that you're not looking for.
"It's not how good the candy tastes, it's how pretty the wrapper is. If it tastes like crap people won't buy it again. But you already have their money(Note: One hit wonder groups). If it tastes good, they'll tell their friends and they'll want more." - ME
PS - I think Gopher has it pretty much dead on in his last post... I personally think that's the right philosophy to have about being an artist. Express yourself for you...not someone else. And as I said in a previous post, how can you write a love song with feeling if you've never been loved or never been in love with anyone?
And I'm sorry for this post being so long...
mishmash wrote on 30 Jun. (19:19) :
Is it not once again down to who you know??? Theres a lot of sh*t in the charts that has been signed by labels and has in my opinion been badly produced (ie over compressed etc) or them goddam aweful remixes of the same tune which come out year after year after year? I think if u can make any kinda music be it cheesey catchy good or rubbish, if you've got a friend in the business you can prob get it published but if your making damn fine music but no means of forming a good friendship with someone at a label then you will find it much harder?
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egaus
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Popular commercial music is not art. It is designed to appeal to as many people that fall into a certain demographic as possible to maximize profit. To aspire to be a commercially successful mainstream artist is to aspire to be able to design music in such a way that it becomes the common denominator of the masses, just like professional sports. That way people can decide what kind of music they want to like only by its sound but by its look, etc.. which really amounts to liking the way a particular band and their music is marketed all the while either not realizing or not caring that the music you like wouldn't stand on its own without the entire package - thus the modern commodity of music designed, produced, packaged, distributed and marketed in such a clever way that some people really have no choice but to like it, even if it sucks, which it usually does. This leads to the 'egaus paradox' which, though I admit is not my original idea (as there are virtually none left) tells us that if we really want to judge music, rate it and give it labels like 'best new metal ballad of the year', we can do so easily - just as they do with Grammies. Whoever sells the most records is the best. The paradox being that in all actuality it is more often than not exactly the opposite - the more records you sell, the more popular you are - is more of a truthful statement. This is because when you proceed to design your music to appeal to as many people as possible, you have to continually make more and more compromises to the point that what is left of the 'art' you nobly began making for yourself becomes diluted to the point that it only retains a tiny, almost unrecognizable fraction of the 'art value' it once had. We can conclude that you can actually calculate 'art value' (Av) by dividing the number of people who like a song by the number of people who have been exposed to the song. The lower the Av, the more likely (think like chemistry - you can't say for sure where an electron will be at any given moment, but you can calculate where it would most likely be at any moment) your song is to contain a high level of art. Which all boils down to what all people who really appreciate music know (we refer to these people as snobs, like you and me) - the more popular your music, the more it sucks.
"If you want to be known by the world, send your music to a record rep and stand by until you hear something back (if ever)." - this is wrong. If you want to be known, then either cling on to the unlikely notion that you can continue to make music how you like it and become rich and famous (1%), or start writing music designed to appeal to as broad an audience as possible. (99%). Key word here is 'design'. Then realize that music is not enough, you have to design the entire package or, in the fashion of Andy Warhol maybe, hire people to help you execute the entire vision as a plan designed to succeed not because it is worthy or because it is good, but because history has shown us how to design music that sells well. There are books on the topic. Please keep in mind that yes, there will always be artists (the 1% above) who defy this reasoning and become rich and famous while at the same time remaining true to themselves and their art form. These are people of integrity, guts, perserverence, high tolerance to pain, etc.. like those artists that we all respect and admire, whoever they may be.
don't apologize, just stand corrected.
gaus
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