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Xtatic
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Write new replyMon 19 Sep. 2005 (11:05) [84.234.181.152] 61/71 quick link
Well that sounds paradox in my humble opinion. "new" for your self maybe. but if you do only what restricts you to do within that genre, its almost certain that someone has done it before. Not that this is negative. I will probably always say and think "dont restrict" to my self. Tho its very hard, or.. maybe I should put it this way; its almost not possible to do something totally new. Maybe one day .. hehe. Thats one of my goals! Something totally new.
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Write new replyMon 19 Sep. 2005 (11:13) [194.153.52.130] 62/71 quick link
There's no paradox in it.

I see two ways to be orginal:

1 - If I limit myself to somebody else's rules, a genre or something else, I learn new things. Those things I can later twist and use in a way nobody has before, and in the end, I might find the key to create something truly orginal.

2 - The opposite would be to never listen to any other music than my own, so I have no reference to anything any other person has created. Actually, I must never hear or see anything else than my own music, so I don't accidently pick up some inspiration from something created by another human. Then, and only then I can make up ideas that is completely my own.

I'd go for option #1... but that's me.

But as I said, orginality is not a purpose itself either. I really think orginality can be fantastic, but it can also be the most overrated thing of them all. When I can not express myself and be orginal at the same time, I rather go for expressing myself.

Anyways, I don't think I'll ever find the key to create something orginal in myself. After all, my brain is entierly made up of stuff I've learnt from other people and situations. By that reason, I have the idea that if I learn more from the world around me, and music, I can twist and distort that knowledge into something completely orginal.

So I like to limit myself to other people's ideas, so that I can learn things I can use to create something nobody else has created before.

If I didn't do that, I think I'd simply create the same kind of music over and over again. Not very orginal.

Besides, I never said I limit myself to a genre everytime I compose a song. It happens though.
Fortunately, my music is much more interesting than my posts.
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Nifflas
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Write new replyMon 19 Sep. 2005 (12:12) [194.153.52.130] 63/71 quick link
Misunderstand me wrong - this is only what I think, but I admit I can be totally, and horribly wrong about this.

As always, don't take my posts too seriously.
Fortunately, my music is much more interesting than my posts.
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Write new replyMon 19 Sep. 2005 (13:36) [195.212.29.187] 64/71 quick link
Nifflas wrote on 19 Sep. (12:12) :

Misunderstand me wrong


:rotfl: Sorry for being offtopic, couldn't resist :) Can I misunderstand you right? I can understand you wrong and misunderstand you  ;)
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Nifflas
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Write new replyMon 19 Sep. 2005 (13:37) [194.153.52.130] 65/71 quick link
If you misunderstand me wrong, I suppose that means you understood me right... (erm, or totally, horribly wrong)
Fortunately, my music is much more interesting than my posts.
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Write new replyMon 19 Sep. 2005 (14:32) [195.205.127.26] 66/71 quick link
Nifflas wrote on 19 Sep. (12:12) :

As always, don't take my posts too seriously.

Your posts are quite wise and SHOULD be taken seriously.
Not taking them seriously would mean to disregard the opinions expressed and that would be a mistake, even for those who disagree.


Anyways, I don't think I'll ever find the key to create something orginal in myself. After all, my brain is entierly made up of stuff I've learnt from other people and situations. By that reason, I have the idea that if I learn more from the world around me, and music, I can twist and distort that knowledge into something completely orginal.

This is an important part of development of human crafts and knowledge. You:
1. learn,
2. extend.

Without that, humanity would keep going in circles.

It is not always like that, a solicited wiseman can create something new without the contact with what's older, yet it is easier to extend than create from scratch AND to that completely originally (without forcing open doors open).

In fact, having something to base on can help your creativity, eg. we all use notes and scales, something other people actually created and described. Thanks to that, we may have the grounds to develop something more complex, new scales and harmonies, rhythms etc. Reinventing everything would me a far harder task and one could not live long enough to make anything worthy and really NEW.
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Write new replyMon 19 Sep. 2005 (21:27) [81.225.150.206] 67/71 quick link
I still don't think we can reinvent something without using some kind of knowledge we have learnt from someone or something else, by the same reason a computer can never generate a truly random number.

...but in either case, we kind of agree about most things, and it's nice to know someone shares my opinion as well :)
Fortunately, my music is much more interesting than my posts.
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Write new replyTue 20 Sep. 2005 (6:31) [195.205.127.26] 68/71 quick link
Nifflas wrote on 19 Sep. (21:27) :

I still don't think we can reinvent something without using some kind of knowledge we have learnt from someone or something else,

As in: no chance that if you start anew, the effect will be the same
or: no chance you will get as advanced?


by the same reason a computer can never generate a truly random number.

Could you explain? :)


...but in either case, we kind of agree about most things, and it's nice to know someone shares my opinion as well :)

Indeed. :)

PS. the jubilee layout is horrible, especially the reply font color. :) :beer: :ctgparty:
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Write new replyTue 20 Sep. 2005 (10:03) [194.153.52.130] 69/71 quick link
As in: no chance that if you start anew, the effect will be the same
or: no chance you will get as advanced?

Well, what I mean is, even if we try to start anew, all the ideas will still come from things we have learnt, and since everything we know (except instinct possibly?) comes from other people or things, it will still not be our own totally unique ideas.

What I'm saying is really that the best chance to create something unique and orginal, is to learn more from other people, rather than just using the knowledge we already have.

and as I've been saying, if I limit myself to a genre I have never tried, I will learn many new things I can use to express myself. If I always compose without limist, I won't evolve that much, since I'm less likley to try new things.

Could you explain? :)

ah, the thing about the random number. A computer can not just pick any number from nothing. Since it only does calculations, it requires a seed, which it will use to calculate a number that seems random, but it's is really a pure mathematical calculation.
Fortunately, my music is much more interesting than my posts.
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Write new replyTue 20 Sep. 2005 (17:35) [82.139.1.251] 70/71 quick link
I see your point, it's very true.

About the random (pseudo-random) number, yeah, I know the idea, just that I'm not sure if it is really related. One theoretically COULD start their own music theory and a genre not using other people's ideas - if they weren't exposed to any of those ideas. It's like - if you hadn't been taught maths, they could (purely theoretically) develop your own maths. But practically - no chance they would advance to the current calculations level humanity has reached.

Yeah yeah, lots of text, no meaning. :) Never mind the subject, we mostly agree anyway. :)
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