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GhostTribe
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Topics: 3
Replies: 4
Registered: 10.Jun.05 |
(sorry if theres already a post about this :})
If you dont know what ElectricSheep is then imagine the Milkdrop plugin for Winamp and make the designs 50 times more complex. http://www.electricsheep.org
Some of the sheep that it 'creates' just blow my mind.
However, right now ESheep is only a screensaver and has no ablilty to go along with music beats.
i was wondering if anyone knew how i could get it to do this or know where i can download a plugin that allows this :}
thanks guys
GhostTribe
ps feel free to post any comments about esheep or anything :} |
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John Marwin
 Artist
Topics: 58
Replies: 1842
Registered: 30.Jun.03 |
like I said in the chat room, I dislike this screensaver because it requires an internet connection at all times, this makes for some pretty interesting effects , such as your system always having that peticular "sheep" port open, vulnerable to attacks, and also that at any given time, a hacker could very well hack a client and "spoof" as a server, sending out alterations to the other nearby clients which would potentially damage your computer.
And no, a firewall will NOT protect you, because in order to use said program, you have to punch holes through it.
So, if you're like me, a serious computer user who knows a thing or two about
how to hack computers, you'll not get this.
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Nifflas
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Topics: 80
Replies: 1599
Registered: 05.Mar.04 |
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If I didn't misunderstood something, you misunderstood something: The screen saver is a client, not a server, so you're not opening a port which a someone can hack into.
Also, even if a hacker get the controll of the server which the screen saver connects to, I seriously doubt the screen saver runs the data which is being sent to it, as executables.
Can you imagine receiving a virus by looking at a jpg picture? Nope, of course not, they are not executables. And why would this screen saver run things sent to it as executables...?
And even if the screen server was a server, which leaves a port open for hackers, nothing can happen if there isn't some suspicious software at your PC that listens to this port.
I have been able to run my pc without a firewall for a long time, and nobody has successfully hacked the machine, cause I don't have suspicious software listening to any ports.
btw, don't forget the url button 
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John Marwin
Artist
Topics: 58
Replies: 1842
Registered: 30.Jun.03 |
I beg to differ, dear niffer
You can get a virus by looking at a jpg file, since by surfing to the page and loading
the file, you'll get the virus with it. Surfing the net without a firewall is like yelling "HEY DUDES CHECK OUT MY UNSECURED PORTS!"
But, if you're behind a router, you'll be safe anyhow since the router works as a
natural firewall. (which is what I suspect has kept you safe this far)
And you don't really need to compromise the server's security to get to the client,
in fact you can pretty much hack the client and work your way backwards.
(how else do you explain people hacking in Counter-strike?)
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Nifflas
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Topics: 80
Replies: 1599
Registered: 05.Mar.04 |
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You can get a virus by looking at a jpg file, since by surfing to the page and loading
the file, you'll get the virus with it. |
...but even if you have a virus infected .jpg stored within your cache, jpg's are not executables, so the actual virus will never be "activated". Also, I have never heard of a jpg viewer going like "Yay, there is executable code within this jpg, let's run it!".
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Surfing the net without a firewall is like yelling "HEY DUDES CHECK OUT MY UNSECURED PORTS!" |
...but they can never connect to my machine unless I have some bad software listening to those ports.
But, if you're behind a router, you'll be safe anyhow since the router works as a
natural firewall. (which is what I suspect has kept you safe this far) |
like I didn't know that. ...no, no router, no firewall, I promise. Do you seriously think I wouldn't know that I have a firewall? I sometimes run different servers from this PC (shoutcast, http, ftp). I know in detail what software is listening to which ports, that's how I keep myself safe.
I regulary scan my PC with various antivirus 'n antispyware tools, but it's still clean.
In addition, I run TCPView to monitor which applications is listening to which ports, so if I had any suspicious software, I would know. |
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John Marwin
Artist
Topics: 58
Replies: 1842
Registered: 30.Jun.03 |
Whoa, you're one lucky guy alright :O
(about you running servers on a toally unsecured computer)
About jpegs, yes after extensive research, I'll have to bend on this question,
I was wrong about them being able to infect through just mere image data alone.
(however, the idea about executing programs hidden in a jpg might be something
easy to do with a directx or java applet)
As for you keeping tabs on what programs use which ports, that's a good strategy.
(I myself often use ipconfig to do the same)
But imagine your casual ctg user who hasn't got that level of expertise, would they
remain safe? Thing is, I'm always suspicious of opening up ports or even allowing programs access to the internet. This in order to minimize the risks of having my systems security compromised, but then again, I could be too paranoid 
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Nifflas
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Topics: 80
Replies: 1599
Registered: 05.Mar.04 |
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Whoa, you're one lucky guy alright :O
(about you running servers on a toally unsecured computer) |
Nope, not at all. It has nothing to do with luck.
If I run a server listening only to port 8000 for example, it makes no difference for the security of the server itself, if a firewall blocks every other port than 8000, or no ports at all. After all, the server software can only be accessed by the port which it listens to.
But imagine your casual ctg user who hasn't got that level of expertise, would they
remain safe? |
I've had to clean up like zillions of PC's from endless spyware, viruses and shit, so I suppose the answer has to be no 
Still, the user will not have to open a port on his own machine to run this screen saver. It's an outgoing connection we're talking about here. The only possible threat at all, is if the screen saver runs stuff sent to it as they were executables - something I strongly doubt a coder with that skill would do.
It's far, far more common to receive a virus or trojan by simply downloading and running an infected program, than someone hacking into your PC through some client you use. So if you're worried you should really be saying "don't download the screen saver, it can be infected".
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deemage
Artist
Topics: 0
Replies: 18
Registered: 24.Oct.03 |
Nifflas wrote on 14 Oct. (13:20) :
You can get a virus by looking at a jpg file, since by surfing to the page and loading
the file, you'll get the virus with it. |
...but even if you have a virus infected .jpg stored within your cache, jpg's are not executables, so the actual virus will never be "activated". Also, I have never heard of a jpg viewer going like "Yay, there is executable code within this jpg, let's run it!". |
this may be true in an ideal world with no software bugs, but there was indeed a bug in the windows graphics library which could cause code in a prepared jpg to be executed.
(see microsoft security bulletin)
a little paranoia can never hurt, but as long as you know what you're doing (as you seem to be ) you should be relatively safe. |
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Nifflas
Member
Topics: 80
Replies: 1599
Registered: 05.Mar.04 |
omg! ...I never actually believed a skilled coder would accidently do a bug like this one, but I've been proven wrong about microsoft several times.
It took me 3 installs to figure out I had to install Windows XP without the network cable connected, to not receive lots of trojans and shit - during the installation itself!
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John Marwin
Artist
Topics: 58
Replies: 1842
Registered: 30.Jun.03 |
deemage wrote on 15 Oct. (15:17) :
Nifflas wrote on 14 Oct. (13:20) :
You can get a virus by looking at a jpg file, since by surfing to the page and loading
the file, you'll get the virus with it. |
...but even if you have a virus infected .jpg stored within your cache, jpg's are not executables, so the actual virus will never be "activated". Also, I have never heard of a jpg viewer going like "Yay, there is executable code within this jpg, let's run it!". |
this may be true in an ideal world with no software bugs, but there was indeed a bug in the windows graphics library which could cause code in a prepared jpg to be executed.
(see microsoft security bulletin)
a little paranoia can never hurt, but as long as you know what you're doing (as you seem to be ) you should be relatively safe. |
Interesting, guess my paranoia sometimes is a good thing :O
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