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chokai
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I know monitors are designed to be able to replicate a much higher range of frequencies than ordinary speakers, so to make sure that the producer is able to make music that can be played on all sound platforms.
Then again, I do kinda agree with you in some parts, high quality hifi speakers also have a broader range of frequency reproduction, so why spend so much on monitors? Why not simply get a flat response amplifier and some high-quality speakers to monitor rather than spending loads of cash on bi-amped monitors?
Im kind of in-between after reading this now based on my own experiences and after reading your article.
I would be interested to read what others think.
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roland
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| Monitors are linear, hi-fi's often not. They often give more bass or treble, or change things in the basic sound. That's why you can't be sure you that you're song will sound good on other hi-fi's. Monitors give you the sound as it is. Better to use them i think. |
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Mike East
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So what's the news here? Many HiFi monitors are much better for listening than studio monitors no doubt about that.. but mixing and mastering music is not the same thing as listening the final product. Sure it have to sound awesome in the studio but also hearing certain frequencies are crucial when producing music.. well some of these frequencies you can't hear with high end HiFi monitors. I've listened some big money production with extremely expensive Genelec monitors and sounded like shit (well otherwise good but had lot of distractive pops, scratchs and peeps), but when I listen it in my car it sounded perfect. That is just how things are  and like roland mentioned the output of studio monitor are normally more free and realistic than in HiFi monitors.
also when selecting nearfield monitors to your studio remember that the monitors does not play low frequencies the same ways as other monitors.. that's the reason why it's good to have many different type of monitors in the studio and headphones so you can compare the mix.
I can sure you that other nearfield monitors are the same, I have ESI nEar06 monitors and you simply can't get bass out of them.. if I boost up the bass so I would really get it kickin' with the ESI monitors it would be a distorted and peaking shit in any other speakers. I always do comparison with Sennheiser headphones and do not trust just the monitoring.
Oh and getting back to mixing with HiFi monitors.. well you can do that but what if you take that into some of the clubs? have you tried that? I could almost bet (but I won't) that if you mix a track with those HiFi speakers of yours it will sound like crap in the clubs, but who knows 
If you want to know more about what are REALLY good monitors and why, you probably want to visit this company from Finland --> http://www.genelec.com
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MatthijsB
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I disagree on your club remark thing.
A friend of mine makes his mixdowns on 25E crap speakers, his music is being sold on cd-singles vinyl etc etc, being signed by armada and blackhole and the spinnin' label. The 2 biggest Trance labels out there and a rather huge house/techtrance label. I often have nothing to complain about when hearing his mixes...
If you've got accustomed to your hi-fi speakers and you are a fairly good producer you can get a very very good sound with only a minimum of gear or $$$ spent in gear.
In the end studio monitors are very handy. Even though I only got cheap ass ones I love em. It sure as hell makes it easier to make a proper mixdown, but it never is a 100% must have.
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Nifflas
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roland: Did you actually read the whole article before replying? The article assumes we all already know the stuff you just said, and then it questions that.
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roland
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Yes i read it. Hi-fi monitor don't exist. It's called a speaker. Regardless the article, these are facts and probably any discussion about it is useless, for facts are facts  .
What i wanted to state is that you can't choose beetween studio monitors and a hi-fi. If you wan't proper mastering, use monitors. If you haven't got the money, use hi-fi.
So what's the deal?
Mike, probably you're monitors are non-linear, they reduce the bass.
Also the mixing process requires an amount of time spent by listening your track on relatively bad speakers. This way you can get a view what will the guy hear in the bathroom on his mono radio when listening to it. |
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Nifflas
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Well, according to the article above, the hifi speakers (600 Eur/pair) was actually a lot more accurate than the monitors (400 Euro/pair). Well, there was a price difference of 200 EUR, but it still surprised me. And as the article said "And that to a higher degree as one would expect just by the price difference".
And according to the tests, the result was similar when comparing the Alesis MK2s and the older Nubert AC3.
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Yes i read it. Hi-fi monitor don't exist. |
True, they don't exist. Also, the word "hifi monitor" was never used in the article.
Thing is just that, although I'd like to agree that monitors are always so much more accurate than hifi speakers - I've never earlier seen them compared. That's why this is quite interesting to find out more about.
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Mike East
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roland wrote on 12 Jan. (12:11) :
Mike, probably you're monitors are non-linear, they reduce the bass.
Also the mixing process requires an amount of time spent by listening your track on relatively bad speakers. This way you can get a view what will the guy hear in the bathroom on his mono radio when listening to it. |
here's the specs of my monitors --> http://www.esi-pro.com/viewProduct.php?pid=46&page=2
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LoneStar
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roland wrote on 11 Jan. (22:35) :
Monitors are linear, hi-fi's often not. They often give more bass or treble, or change things in the basic sound. That's why you can't be sure you that you're song will sound good on other hi-fi's. Monitors give you the sound as it is. Better to use them i think. |
Plain and simply wrong.
Monitors are tuned for linearity, precision, stereo imaging. That doesn't mean they are perfectly linear, for instance. Especially not those in the lower price range.
Now, what are HiFi speakers tuned for? Exactly the same.
The difference is, when a monitor manufacturer makes a budget monitor, the main aim is a flat frequency response curve on paper, so he compromises other aspects of speaker quality (i.e. precision, punch), or even finds the best possible (=achievable for that money) compromise between all those aspects.
A Hifi speaker manufacturer, on the other hand, will aim for purely subjective sound quality and max level.
However, those differences start to disappear as more as you're going up in price.
roland wrote:
Yes i read it. Hi-fi monitor don't exist. It's called a speaker.
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"Monitors" don't exist either. They ARE speakers
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