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LoneStar
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Noct wrote on 18 Jan. (6:05) :
Hifi vs Monitors
First of all speakers they sell at retail stores ARE NOT hifi. They're about as hifi as McDonalds is a 5 star restaurant. Hifi speakers such as Duntechs, Dunlavys or Spendors would indeed make excellent monitors. They're designed with audiophiles in mind (people who are obsessive far beyond the point of most engineers). Even if you did manage to get your hands on a set of those speakers, finding the proper amp to power them would be an entirely different ball game (and entirely different wad of cash). True hifi speakers would definitely make great monitors. To say otherwise is like saying "That Ferrari would not make a good car. You really need a station wagon if you want to drive.", or in the case of NS10s, "You really need a Yugo, all the studio engineers have them.".  .
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While I agree to the most part, your terminology might be a bit twisted.
What you were talking about is usually called "high-end", and yes, such speakers/amps/sources will own anything else because they're simply the pinnacle of current audio technology (with an appropiate price).
Thing is. "HiFi" is a technical standard defining minimum requirements for speakers, amps, microphones and so on. It was made up '73 in Germany as DIN 45 500 (DIN = German Industry Standard) and is still valid today as DIN EN 61 305/02.96 (the EN means it's a DIN made into a Europe-wide standard). Infact i.e. a speaker which barely fits those requirements would be the crappiest you ever heard. Google it up if you like, I'm too lazy to write it off that book here 
Finally, on this topic, when I say HiFi I just mean speakers not sold as "studio monitors". It's more or less just for people to understand, even if it's technically incorrect (since every modern monitor speaker surely meets the Hifi standard).
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Do you know of a more modern and more technically advanced standard? EN 61 305/02.96 sounds quite dated now. Or maybe it's been revised? Any ideas?
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Noct
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LoneStar wrote on 18 Jan. (17:55) :
Noct wrote on 18 Jan. (6:05) :
Hifi vs Monitors
First of all speakers they sell at retail stores ARE NOT hifi. They're about as hifi as McDonalds is a 5 star restaurant. Hifi speakers such as Duntechs, Dunlavys or Spendors would indeed make excellent monitors. They're designed with audiophiles in mind (people who are obsessive far beyond the point of most engineers). Even if you did manage to get your hands on a set of those speakers, finding the proper amp to power them would be an entirely different ball game (and entirely different wad of cash). True hifi speakers would definitely make great monitors. To say otherwise is like saying "That Ferrari would not make a good car. You really need a station wagon if you want to drive.", or in the case of NS10s, "You really need a Yugo, all the studio engineers have them.". .
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While I agree to the most part, your terminology might be a bit twisted.
What you were talking about is usually called "high-end", and yes, such speakers/amps/sources will own anything else because they're simply the pinnacle of current audio technology (with an appropiate price).
Thing is. "HiFi" is a technical standard defining minimum requirements for speakers, amps, microphones and so on. It was made up '73 in Germany as DIN 45 500 (DIN = German Industry Standard) and is still valid today as DIN EN 61 305/02.96 (the EN means it's a DIN made into a Europe-wide standard). Infact i.e. a speaker which barely fits those requirements would be the crappiest you ever heard. Google it up if you like, I'm too lazy to write it off that book here
Finally, on this topic, when I say HiFi I just mean speakers not sold as "studio monitors". It's more or less just for people to understand, even if it's technically incorrect (since every modern monitor speaker surely meets the Hifi standard).
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A term made up in Germany in the 70's doesn't matter to me. That's marketing lingo, and that's what I'm generally bitching about. I'm talking about speakers that are capable of producing high fidelity sound. If a speaker is sub par, I don't consider it hifi. I'm sorry, but slapping a buzz word onto something that is low quality is twisted to me.
Definition of Hi Fi referenced here: http://www.answers.com/high-fidelity&r=67 "Sound reproduction equipment that reproduces sound as near to the original sound as possible. " That sounds like pretty damned good monitoring to me.
Speakers sold as studio monitors are fine, some great, but within the last 15 years the market has changed a lot. Many low quality contenders entered the ring. Just because it says "monitor" doesn't mean it's great. The same thing goes for hifi unfortunately. The word "monitor" has been turned into just as much of a pejorative as "hifi". Always be cynical when it comes to these big companies trying to push a product and making big promises.
All speakers are very different. Even the same make and model, from speaker to speaker, can sound much different from one another. I guess just get the best you can until you can upgrade to something truly high fidelity.
Right now I'm using a set of Dynaudio BM15 passives powered by a Quested AP800 amp. Luckily the monitors are matched and calibrated to be as close to one another as possible. The imaging is superb. I doubt they would compare to a set of duntechs, dunlavy, or wilsons (Lucas Arts has wilsons in a couple of their suites).
You have to keep in mind, you have to listen to, or at least check on the playback system your tunes will ultimately play on. Sometimes that calls for lofi. Try to listen to your mix on everything you can get your dirty little hands on. It's just better as an artist and engineer to spend most of your time working with more accurate sound reproduction. There's no simple answer. If you get X monitor it doesn't guarantee you'll make great mixes.
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LoneStar
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Noct wrote on 19 Jan. (22:10) :
A term made up in Germany in the 70's doesn't matter to me. That's marketing lingo, and that's what I'm generally bitching about. I'm talking about speakers that are capable of producing high fidelity sound. If a speaker is sub par, I don't consider it hifi. I'm sorry, but slapping a buzz word onto something that is low quality is twisted to me.
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Personal opinion. I was talking about facts.
The rest, I agree 
Edit: The link you supplied contains a reference to the DIN I mentioned.
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