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Provos
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I understand the basic differences in the sound, but what specfic rules are there governing the different genres of "dance" music? (I use the term loosely)
House - seems to be around 105-120 bpm
Trance - bpm 130-140, a lot more layers to the sound
Dance - ...I have no clue
What kind of rules, persay, are there anyway? And what would you consider to be an ideal example of each genre/style (here on ctg)? 
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DDspeed
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Tempos have nothing to do with genres.
Difference between any genres is always totally all about how do YOU personally find them different. There are a lot of tracks that anyone will tell you a different version of what they are and nobody can prove what is trance and what is not. The fact is that till some maniac comes and writes a huge theorem about genres, one that everyone will agree with, till that day comes there won't be any stadard in calling genres.
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Jeff Hil0
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aw not again there was a topic old back daze about a page explaining the genres in a lovely way... i cant find it ...  
anyway i'm talkin about this one (1079 hits) let the page breathe it has an intro
as a result
i see it might be updated now, but all old users know this lovely page 
i'm not sure it can explain the difference that the author asks but it's a cool enter for a starter 
as about "dance", it's everything can make u move 
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Analysis
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House = not so melodic, more about the groove and percussion
Trance = melodic, although this genre varies quite some. Percussion is often disregarded, and simple, but just as often very complex.. Basically, when it's got a melody and it's more underground, you can call it trance.
Dance = Melodic, hard, commercial.. Special D kinda shit, they also call it euro(dance) which is even more commercial. Gigi d'agostino is a good example also..
Techno = Not melodic, more about groove and percussion but usually faster and more driving then house...
But in the end, it all boils down to what DDspeed said.. There is no hard line in this. I can remember that in some country's they call 'gigi d'agostino techno, and although this is seriously wrong..... some ppl still call it like that..
I just wrote the general idea above, and nothing more..
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Jeff Hil0
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Analysis wrote on 10 Jan. (23:53) :
House = not so melodic, more about the groove and percussion
---house can be very melodic!!
Trance = melodic, although this genre varies quite some. Percussion is often disregarded, and simple, but just as often very complex.. Basically, when it's got a melody and it's more underground, you can call it trance.
----well, trance is melodic yes
Dance = Melodic, hard, commercial.. Special D kinda shit, they also call it euro(dance) which is even more commercial. Gigi d'agostino is a good example also..
what is hard?
Techno = Not melodic, more about groove and percussion but usually faster and more driving then house...
---techno can be melodic as well (in a deep way of course) basically it's a looped based music mainly dancey or brilliantly experimental
But in the end, it all boils down to what DDspeed said.. There is no hard line in this. I can remember that in some country's they call 'gigi d'agostino techno, and although this is seriously wrong..... some ppl still call it like that..
----that's true 
I just wrote the general idea above, and nothing more..
is this the genaral idea? 
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yes, house can be very melodic.. but in it's essence it's about the groove, in contrary to the essence of trance.... but like I said, there are so many crossings here.. I know trance songs which are all about the groove.....
Samething with me who calls dance hard.. I mean, there are numerous dance songs which aren't hard....
And yes, I agree, techno can be melodic as well, but like I said with house, melodic elements in techno arent what it's all about.... although there are songs ofcourse which are about melody and still are techno..
I mean, once again, you can't really explain this.. you just have to feel it..
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Nygen Dale
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Provos wrote on 10 Jan. (22:54) :
What kind of rules, persay, are there anyway? And what would you consider to be an ideal example of each genre/style (here on ctg)?
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House - Alphadelta - Blow my Mind
Trance - edzes - Alumina
Dance - Julii - Just Stay
Alphadelta's song is less melodic and focuses more on monotonism and vibe to create a more hypnotic sound. Also repeated vocal bits like that are pretty common in house music so I think it's a good example for a house track
A trance example wasn't really hard to find. It's a little faster and has a much more driving beat. I guess trance is the music you dance to at midnight, house you dance to at 3 a.m.. Edzes track is much more melody-based with the usual ABC structure. Build-up, atmospheric break, and take-off 
I actually find it hard to define dance... I guess it's kinda like trance, just closer to pop... Maybe in dance music the atmosphere and trancy sounds aren't that important but I'm not really sure either
Anyway, these are just examples that came to mind when I was thinking about those genres. In the end everybody has slightly different definitions. Also the biggest problem is where to draw the line. Let's say you have definite definitions of how a trance and a house track has to sound. Now what if we change one thing in that trance track to something housy? And then another one... The trance track will sound more and more like a house track and who knows when it's time to say "This isn't a trance track anymore, now it's house"? In the end it's best not to read too much into the whole genre thingie  But it will be interesting what CTG tracks for those genres other people will propose Then we can see how everybody looks at those definitions 
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Jeff Hil0
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Analysis wrote on 11 Jan. (0:11) :
And yes, I agree, techno can be melodic as well, but like I said with house, melodic elements in techno arent what it's all about.... although there are songs ofcourse which are about melody and still are techno..
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N.D. wrote on 11 Jan. (0:14) :
A trance example wasn't really hard to find. It's a little faster and has a much more driving beat. I guess trance is the music you dance to at midnight, house you dance to at 3 a.m.. Edzes track is much more melody-based with the usual ABC structure. Build-up, atmospheric break, and take-off
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Too make it all more confusing though, trance is moving towards house, by getting less melodic and having less drive.. and to make it even more confusing.. there are also trance artists which are moving towards the techno-side....
Soon there will be more genre's I suppose...
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MatthijsB
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And to make it even more confusing for mister ND: Only lame parties start with full on trance and end with house 
Most parties I visit evolve like: Progressive/House > trance > techtrance (> techno)
Genres are just a way to catalog music, the human brain loves putting music in a box so it can find it easily when asked about it next time. Problem is, a lot of countries and different culture's have different names for most kinds of music, especially with Electronic music as it evolves faster than any other genre. There is no good explanation for house or trance or dance. For instance, hiphop is refered to as dance in america, while Europeans would be talking about the 4x4 uberbeats when talking about dance music.
To answer the topicstarter:
House tends to be a bit groovier, a bit lower tempo than trance in most cases allthough they can overlap eachother in terms of bpm. The subgenres within house mostly explaing which factor is most important. In progressive house atmosphere is a big deal, dreamy and lush soundscapes, blended in an 'ever' evolving rythm. Tribal concentrates on the drums, groove house tends to pay more attention to cool piano rythms or jazzy kind of grooves. 110-130 bpm I think in most cases.
Trance is a tough one. Mostly it concentrates on a hook (lead synth), with backing melodies in the buildup and outro. In melodic trance they concentrate on getting as much (uplifting) melodies and sounds in a track, often referred to as cheesy ( ). Techtrance does have the trancy leads but is a bit more rough in it's sound. Where normal trance tries to be clean and perfect techtrance tries to get a tougher yet still trancy sound. Then there is balearic trance/dreamtrance, with uber soundscapes or dreamy melodies. Think Chicane or Robert Miles. 125-145 bpm range generally put.
I consider dance to have 2 meanings: 1. I refer to the EDM music as dance.
2. dance, for me, is the commercial kind of crap you see on tv and which hits the charts. Mostly the cheesy stuff (kick,bass.synth only music) like gigi d'augustino, special d, boozywoozy and few others, this music can be a lot of fun too, but you instantly hear it is has charts intentions and potential written all over it. Some Trance and House tracks have this too, but yet it seems different somehow. In terms of bpm these kinds of song are generally in between 130-140. The less is more rule applies in a lot of cases in this genre, especially for the rather succesfull tracks up the charts!
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