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Jeff Hil0
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PartySan wrote on 01 Feb. (18:56) :
John Marwin wrote on 01 Feb. (17:11) :
Gopher wrote on 01 Feb. (14:25) :
To all involved:
Further investigation has shown that, assuming CISAC is indeed the International Confederation of SOCIETIES of Authors and Composers (It's French in origin) this is something that no-one here will be affiliated with directly - note that I have made the word "Society" upper case - thats Society, not Individual.
From what I can gather, CISAC is a strategic (top)-level organisation which works and collaborates over the top of organisations like the PRS (Performing Rights Society) and the ALCS (Author's Licensing and Collecting Society).
So, in your own country, you may have your own PRS or ALCS or whatever, who delegate your artistic rights and distribute wealth as your label sees fit - CISAC is an upper-tier organisation that synchronises these efforts globally.
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In other words: the bastads who sue people.
.. er.. count me out.
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*walks to the left of John*
me too.
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is that what u understood? 
i suggest u read again  
u can use a trancelator if u may  
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MatthijsB
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Not whom sue people.
Probably the organisation which is responsible for transfering my money from the US to the netherlands so I get payed for what they've played. In other words: an important company for those who make money out of their music. I understand this to be the organisation which overlooks the RIAA (United States), or the dutch BUMA/STEMRA or the belgian SABAM on a worldwide level. It makes sure the money gets to the right organisation so the artist in question gets it's rightfull money.
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Leadboy
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| ok .. now i don't get it at all .. .. When using Dance-Industries .. you may not be CISAC member ... i am not so i Chosed 3'rd but i don't get it .. What's the point of CISAC ? |
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MatthijsB
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Every country has their own organisation to make sure that incomes earned from radio/tv plays and/or other media get to the artist. However, if the artist doesn't live in the country where the money is earnt it has to get transfered to them. If (an only IF) I understand this correctly CISAC takes care of that.
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MatthijsB
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Ive read the website, it seems like an organisation specialised in author rights and other royalty related issues on creative products (books, video's, music). It seems to be mostly meant for companies which want to be informed about the complicated matter of royalties and other kinds of payments involved when it comes to using/selling creative products.
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Vegaro
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"Goes to the artist"? More often goes to the recording company. When dealing with non indy recording companies, most artists are required to sign a contract giving up their I.P (intellectual property) over the piece.
In Israel, atleast, when a place like a coffeeshop wants to play music, it has to pay the Israeli CISAC equivalent (or suborganization) a certain fee every month, and none of it ever goes to the artists, since there's no way to say which artist was played. Most of it goes to keep the local CISAC running, the rest is distributed to recording companies, even if their artists weren't actually being played.
Fucked up IMO.
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chokai
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The PRS is all you need as a musician or the MCPS for labels. (in the UK anyways).
How about:
Certifiably Insane Songwriters Allied Committee.
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LoneStar
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Vegaro wrote on 02 Feb. (13:56) :
"When dealing with non indy recording companies, most artists are required to sign a contract giving up their I.P (intellectual property) over the piece. |
Holy shit. How is that even possible? You as the creator of some piece of art (here: music) own the intellectual property by nature. It can't be sold in a way that the "buyer" becomes equivalent to the creator.
I don't know how fucked up a law must be which allows that. The only thing you could ever sell in that respect is the right to distribute the piece of art, yet it would remain your personal (intellectual) property.
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MatthijsB
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Vegaro wrote on 02 Feb. (13:56) :
"Goes to the artist"? More often goes to the recording company. When dealing with non indy recording companies, most artists are required to sign a contract giving up their I.P (intellectual property) over the piece. |
No, unless your contract says so you do not give away your IP. I've never signed a track where I signed away my rights as an artist in that kind of way. May I remind you that a contract is negotiable.
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In Israel, atleast, when a place like a coffeeshop wants to play music, it has to pay the Israeli CISAC equivalent (or suborganization) a certain fee every month, and none of it ever goes to the artists, since there's no way to say which artist was played. Most of it goes to keep the local CISAC running, the rest is distributed to recording companies, even if their artists weren't actually being played. |
True most $$ is being spread to company which music is being played most in general. However in the Netherlands you are able to supply the BUMA/STEMRA (, the dutch CISAC,) with tracklists. These tracklists will be registered and this way I will be getting my payments as I should. I can't track all parties worldwide playing my stuff. But the most important ones can always be found on the internet. 
LoneStar wrote on 02 Feb. (16:15) :
Holy shit. How is that even possible? You as the creator of some piece of art (here: music) own the intellectual property by nature. It can't be sold in a way that the "buyer" becomes equivalent to the creator.
I don't know how fucked up a law must be which allows that. The only thing you could ever sell in that respect is the right to distribute the piece of art, yet it would remain your personal (intellectual) property.
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The possibilities are near infinite. It depends on the contract. You can sign away all your rights if you want. This way you'll never get any revenue from being played, it will go to the buyer of your work as he is the legal owner in that case.
Normally the label is only (and exclusively) licensed to reproduce and distribute the works during a certain period (mostly 5 years or alike).
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Gopher
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LoneStar wrote on 02 Feb. (16:15) :
Vegaro wrote on 02 Feb. (13:56) :
"When dealing with non indy recording companies, most artists are required to sign a contract giving up their I.P (intellectual property) over the piece. |
Holy shit. How is that even possible? You as the creator of some piece of art (here: music) own the intellectual property by nature. It can't be sold in a way that the "buyer" becomes equivalent to the creator.
I don't know how fucked up a law must be which allows that. The only thing you could ever sell in that respect is the right to distribute the piece of art, yet it would remain your personal (intellectual) property.
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Dealing in IP is actually a BIG trade; most of microsoft's worth isn't in actual product, but IP. Most people sell IP for big bucks, because labels are less likely to give anywhere near as much in royalties/one-offs to people who retain IP; also, if you retain your own IP, you might end up having to defend against infringements yourself; again, depends on the contract. I've already signed off the IP to 2 papers that I've written to two societies, and it's not that big a deal (they were really shit papers anyway, and derived from one another, which has been faithfully reproduced and expanded upon in another university technical paper).
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