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Novus
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I was both bored and curious at work tonight (always a dangerous combination for me), so I actually took the time to glance through all of the songs released here on CTG over the past 10 months. (Why 10 months? Because after going back 10 months I got even more bored than before, so I stopped.)
In that 10-month span, there were 2771 songs released, not counting any songs which may have been removed by the artist later. Of those 2771, only 114 were released in a tracked format. (MOD, S3M, XM, IT, MT2, SKM or RNS).
That's right... of all the songs released on CTG in the past 10 months, only 4% were in a tracked format. 1 out of every 25.
Which for me begs the question... how many people here on CTG still use tracking software at some point -- at ANY point -- in their song-writing process? (Specifically, Fast Tracker 2, Impulse Tracker, MODPlug Tracker, Mad Tracker 2, Skale or Renoise.) Are people still using trackers in the initial stages and then "cleaning things up" as it were with other programs? Or have people largely moved on to MIDI and sequencers or even just playing live and recording it into their computer?
I've always tended to judge the "health" of the tracking scene by the number of tracked releases, and by that standard tracking is pretty much dead. But I'm just curious if maybe people are using tracking software more than I realized, but only in the early stages of creating a song.
(And no, I'm not "back," whatever the fuck that means. Meh.)
But hey, I wrote the Novus Manifesto, so what the hell do I know? |
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Nifflas
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It happens. In OHC's, and not to mention when I create music for games (well, erm, my own games that is). Oh, not to mention, I'm a renoiser. But really, if I could afford a low latency soundcard, and a really good midi keyboard, I wouldn't even think before moving to a sequencer again.  Since I play the piano, nothing can ever beat realtime recording.
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Are people still using trackers in the initial stages and then "cleaning things up" as it were with other programs? |
It was years ago since people would track a song, render to .wav and add effects to it. It never happens now. Either we just create a plain .xm, or .it, or alternatively, we use VST instruments and effects, directly on individual instrument tracks in the tune.
The VST instruments we chose, and the VST effects we add are defining elements of the song, not just "cleaning things up". Assuming we would unload the VST's from the song, you would in many cases hear plain silence.
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Gopher
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I don't track unless someone has that as a specific format requirement for a song.
Not that I don't want to - I just don't have the inclination right now.
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John Marwin
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I still use FT2, although I'm in the stages of converting into renoise because of the recent aquirement of a computer 
But, one thing that really irks me is that I can't really release in modular format now, and that's a damned inconvenience to me. I loathe streamed formats because they're big as fuck and they don't really show *how* you made the song in question.
(I suppose I could release the renoise song file, but that still wouldn't be possible to play back unless the person had the correct plugins/vsts/program now would it?)
The pitfalls of modern technology....
edit: and Novus, great to see that you're .. oh yeah, not back
(if this is your definition of staying away... please.. by all means, stay away some more  )
[Good artists copy, Great artists steal, Immortal artists go their own way] |
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sonus
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Novus
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John Marwin wrote on 18 Apr. (7:50) :
I suppose I could release the renoise song file, but that still wouldn't be possible to play back unless the person had the correct plugins/vsts/program now would it? |
Gah, I'm gonna side-track myself, but that was probably the single greatest thing about tracking: I knew that when I tracked a song and released it on the 'Net, almost everyone out there was going to hear it correctly, and all they had to do was download one of several simple player-programs. No plug-ins, no patches, no licenses. Download the song, and that was it, since most people who were downloading my song already had the player of their choice ready-to-go anyway.
Although I guess you can do that with MP3s too, but the file size is bigger. Meh.
But I'm sidetracking myself.
But hey, I wrote the Novus Manifesto, so what the hell do I know? |
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Novus
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sonus wrote on 18 Apr. (7:51) :
All of my music is 100% tracked in Renoise. |
Interesting. But just out of curiosity, do you release them as RNS files or as MP3 files?
But hey, I wrote the Novus Manifesto, so what the hell do I know? |
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Louigi Verona
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Nifflas
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Gah, I'm gonna side-track myself, but that was probably the single greatest thing about tracking: I knew that when I tracked a song and released it on the 'Net, almost everyone out there was going to hear it correctly, and all they had to do was download one of several simple player-programs. |
Almost, but not entierly true though - there was some major problems related to that too.
* Resampling has never been a song setting, so not everybody would understand they must switch resampling to OFF to hear a chiptune correctly.
* Not all players was fully compatible with the file specs, so often you would have to specify which player to listen to the song with, to hear it correctly.
* Modplug Tracker has always been messing with the standards of .IT files, instead of using it's own file extension. A lot of features modplug has, doesn't really exist in .IT's, which has caused some major confusion and incompability.
But, well. In general, it worked fine. But really, it have not changed though. I've never actually heard of a person releasing a file in it's source format if it requires additional plugins. Either one source file with the full content, or an mp3/ogg. So it's still the same way really.
I have editied this post 6 time(s).
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Novus
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Topics: 43
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Registered: 05.Jan.03 |
Nifflas wrote on 18 Apr. (7:31) :
It was years ago since people would track a song, render to .wav and add effects to it. It never happens now. Either we just create a plain .xm, or .it, or alternatively, we use VST instruments and effects, directly on individual instrument tracks in the tune.
The VST instruments we chose, and the VST effects we add are defining elements of the song, not just "cleaning things up". Assuming we would unload the VST's from the song, you would in many cases hear plain silence. |
So it sounds to me like you mainly use Renoise then, but rather than jumping to outside software, you're taking advantage of Renoise's VST capabilities. But in the end, you're still staying entirely inside of Renoise. Am I correct?
But hey, I wrote the Novus Manifesto, so what the hell do I know? |
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