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Louigi Verona
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like Nifflas and Xerxes says, all music is subjective... |
Subjective - yes, but only to some extent. Generally, everybody knows when the track is good and when it is not. Nifflas likes saying music is subjective and this is his opinion, but I think he is highlighting the point too much. Yeah, it is subjective, but if the track is really good, many people will like it. If music impressions were as subjective as Nifflas says, there wouldn't be popular bands around, would they?
So dropping the review system is no good. Be reasonable here.
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mrsix
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Registered: 01.Nov.04 |
Yes, you are completely right..
But with that in mind I think it all boils down to the fact that everyone here has their own opinion, and I think that Vanguard is getting over-zealous about reviews.. ie he got upset that somone gave him a bad review, doesnt like seeing music he hates getting high reviews...
Everyone here wants someone to say to them "that is a bloody fantastic tune!"
And when people hear the opposite they get defensive, and attack the reviewers rather than seeking a reason as to why they made that statement
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Louigi Verona
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mrsix
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Registered: 01.Nov.04 |
So people should stop giving a shit, moaning about bollocks, and if they dont like the reviews other people write, write differently to them
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Louigi Verona
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Nifflas
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Yeah, it is subjective, but if the track is really good, many people will like it. If music impressions were as subjective as Nifflas says, there wouldn't be popular bands around, would they? |
Well, people. CTG reviewers are not like ordinary people though. A normal person can listen to a tune for what it is and either like that or not. I really love asking "normal people" for opinions.
A CTG reviewer is something completely different though. In many cases, I've heard songs that appears to be perfect for even a quite demanding listener as myself. Then the reviewers points out lots of random things like "lead too distorted", "the song should not fade out", and "the solo part should be more complex", things a normal person would never consider since he's busy enjoying the song for what it actually is (an ability I still possess too). It's in those cases I get a bit upset and go like "hey, it's all subjective". Still, even I sometimes review songs. But I stick to my opinion that reviews are overrated. In my case, they have killed much more inspiration than they have helped me, because I feel the reviewer wanted me to express something totally different than I wanted when composing the song.
Yet, I often receive critic comments from #modarchive about my music, and those are often helping me out a whole lot more. There's something different about those comments, but I havn't managed to figure out exactly what. Perhaps that it's easier to have a realtime discussion about it - either defend myself, find out exactly why the person thinks that, and in some cases, change the song. 
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Louigi Verona
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John Marwin
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Registered: 30.Jun.03 |
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You know, after thinking about this problem for so long and wondering on and off about it, I've come to realize that this reviewing hysteria needs to end, once and for all.
So, I propose that CTG drops the unreviewed songs number from the charts and make it a secret known to only the most ubah-leet devs of the site. Why? These figures only make people think that it's something wrong with it, which of course.. it's not.
Reducing this number as a reviewing team means that corners have to be cut, time tables have to be met, sacrifices need to be made.
This means that reviews have to be written with speed, with times with constraints, this means that reviews will become superficial, so we'll end up with alot of reviews that basically say nothing, and that doesn't help anyone out in any way. they just fill up space. And as we all know, the purpose of a review is dual, on one hand it's to help out the musician in the way that you detail what was good and what was not so good with the track in question. The other purpose of a review is to give a potential listener a quick and easy way to find out of a track is their cup of tea, or even if it's a track worth downloading!
Writing 10 minute reviews defeats this whole purpose entierly and effectivly nullifies the reason that the review was written in the first place.
I've seen some recent reviews that were written in this speedy way and I'm quite honestly disgusted with them because these are more like comments and certainly not reviews in any way.
As for people choosing to not return reviews, I say this: it's fine that you don't participate in reviewing, because that's *your* choice here on CTG.
Why do I say this now? why have I done a complete 180 turn in opinions?
because I at last finally FUCKING GET IT!
CTG is not about reviews mainly, that's just one intsy bitsy facet of what this place was meant to be about. CTG is about community, about people exchanging things:
ideas,tutorials, opinions, flames, love letters, recepies for that ubah phat sawlead, break samples, voice clips, collaboration tactics and so on.CTG is essentially a communications platform for musicians, no more.. no less!
So really, the way I and everyone else focused on reviews earlier wasn't good, we were skewering the purpose of this site, trying to bend it into something else entierly.
I think now in retrospect, that we did have the best intentions, but we were acting against the very nature of this place, and we failed because of it.
Anyhow, since I do realize that some people write reviews to get feedback on their own songs, I've devised a cunning plan for you lot to follow! *puts on a turnip hat*
Review artists and keep a record of who returns reviews and who doesn't, scratch the ones that don't return reviews off the list and continue to review tracks from those that DO. Easy, simple and most of all, quite elegant! Also, there's a very nifty reviewing table available for each artist that details which reviews you returned, and which you still owe people and vice versa, isn't it amazing?
Anyhow, when I get the time, I'll start clearing up my personal reviews list, and I'll take my sweet merry time doing it aswell
[Good artists copy, Great artists steal, Immortal artists go their own way] |
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Louigi Verona
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Topics: 384
Replies: 3827
Registered: 22.Aug.03 |
CTG is not about reviews mainly, that's just one intsy bitsy facet of what this place was meant to be about. CTG is about community, about people exchanging things:
ideas,tutorials, opinions, flames, love letters, recepies for that ubah phat sawlead, break samples, voice clips, collaboration tactics and so on.CTG is essentially a communications platform for musicians, no more.. no less!
So really, the way I and everyone else focused on reviews earlier wasn't good, we were skewering the purpose of this site, trying to bend it into something else entierly.
I think now in retrospect, that we did have the best intentions, but we were acting against the very nature of this place, and we failed because of it. |
 
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mrsix
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Topics: 95
Replies: 1834
Registered: 01.Nov.04 |
I was in a really shitty mood after reading this thread, and now youve put me in a better mood!
Hurrah for Johnny Boy! 
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