EE Jeffrey
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Updated the first post a little, extending the list with this new approach from Masenka on deviding the review system into two seperate systems : staff vs community. If I got it right that is  .. Also changed that first item on charts about, as things where pointed out by xTr1m
Not really have the time right now to collect thoughts and extend on that staff vs community review idea, but it sounds like it could open some doors on current limitations. I do question in my mind a little, if it's not just review vs comment, both getting their own rating system (reviews keeping the current rating system and comments getting something like a quick vote system; see community rating stuff metioned more often above)
Ah well, I should get back to work now
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Cooth
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Louigi Verona wrote on 08 Aug. (7:01) :
You see, sometimes I would appreciate a review that says: "Teh good drums! Keep up" and a rating of 9.0
Really - what else do I need?
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We started off like this and then went all the way to what we have now. There are comments for quick feedback and they work fine I think.
I personally don't see a problem if there is a 'quick rating' thing apart from the review-rating. |
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Chris Edberg
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I personally don't see a problem if there is a 'quick rating' thing apart from the review-rating. |
And for people who are here only to improve their skills, ratings doesn't matter much unless the same people rate their music over time. But then again that could depend on the reviewer being nicer by time too... Hmm... Not easy things to discuss 
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nekativ wrote on 07 Aug. (12:15) :
- Being able to rate the tune without needing to review / maybe do a separate 'community rating' next to review rating, that acts more like a quick vote
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this is an excellent idea! |
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Even though I don't care alot about ratings this 'staff vs community rating' thing sounds really adorable 
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Cooth
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Kricke wrote on 08 Aug. (14:16) :
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I personally don't see a problem if there is a 'quick rating' thing apart from the review-rating. |
And for people who are here only to improve their skills, ratings doesn't matter much unless the same people rate their music over time. But then again that could depend on the reviewer being nicer by time too... Hmm... Not easy things to discuss
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I want to point out that there is not much of a connection between the desire to improve skills and receiving numeric ratings. If you ask a friend for an opinion and suggestions, do you expect to hear "7.5"? When I seek for ways to improve my tracks or am unsure if it's worth anything, I privately ask someone I know. Numeric ratings are just for satisfaction, pride and promotion or, on the other side, cold-shower.
I would like to add, as a staff member I don't object a quick-rating, as a CTG member I am rather against introducing more numbers and stats - there are pretty many of them already. |
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Louigi Verona
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If you ask a friend for an opinion and suggestions, do you expect to hear "7.5"? |
Well, Cooth, you have to understand that a friend's opinion is one thing and a website is another. There has to be some kind of a system. Here we have numbers, at modplug they had smilies. Who cares? Nobody's saying that they actually divide music into 4-rated music or 10-rated stuff. This is just some certain feedback that people are able to receive and because that's in Internet, we get numbers or whatever.
As for "comparing" music, and ratings are comparison of everybody's track to a certain standard, well, it comes from the competative nature of the amateur music scene, which is not bad at all. Things become bad only when they are taken too seriously, but that is everybody's personal business.
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Cooth
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Louigi Verona wrote on 09 Aug. (7:09) :
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If you ask a friend for an opinion and suggestions, do you expect to hear "7.5"? |
Well, Cooth, you have to understand that a friend's opinion is one thing and a website is another. There has to be some kind of a system. Here we have numbers, at modplug they had smilies. Who cares? Nobody's saying that they actually divide music into 4-rated music or 10-rated stuff. This is just some certain feedback that people are able to receive and because that's in Internet, we get numbers or whatever.
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I understand that very well. I just question the usefullness of the system to improve one's skill.
As for "comparing" music, and ratings are comparison of everybody's track to a certain standard, well, it comes from the competative nature of the amateur music scene, which is not bad at all. Things become bad only when they are taken too seriously, but that is everybody's personal business.
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This is why I don't object as a staff member, but personally, as a site user like you and anybody else, I am not enthusiastic about it. Whatever the nature of the amateur music scene is, I don't feel like being competitive in this field. That's about me, 1 man, 1 vote. You can outvote me and it'll be ok. |
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EE Jeffrey
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Cooth wrote on 09 Aug. (7:24) :
I understand that very well. I just question the usefullness of the system to improve one's skill. |
Let me try my view on that one. Not to turn your head in the other direction, but to show you what it could do to some:
If the system works, it would let a lot of people from the community do a vote on your track, after hearing it. The result will be a more averaged out number that is comparable to other tracks, instead to an average of a few ratings that come with a review (only a select group of users does the reviewing anyway).
So the number will represent with each track what the community likes and not what a few reviewers do. What this can do for you, all depends on what you want to achieve with your music. A few examples can be:
- You could compare your music to a track in the same genre that received an higher community rating. Then you could try to reach for that sound with your own music, or even ask the other artists for hints on techniques he used. Just to make your music more populair.
- It is a better way to get a low community average, instead of getting one low review with a low rating, which both basicly tells the artist to improve on a lot of things. The artist who believes in his track may want to get mad at the reviewer instead of trying to improve, while it's less likely an artist will get mad at the full community. It's easier to take something from multiple people instead of only a select few.
Well I could go on about the possible benefits it can have for some artists, but now let's look at the 'fun' side of things:
People can now 'reward' a track or 'punish' a track, just by hearing it and act impulsive, without having to write a very long review. They could just drop a comment and the rating to express their experience with the track plain and simple.
The charts could benefit from this statistic too. I don't see the charts as something to help an artist, but as a fun aspect of the site. Adding daily or weekly community votes to your set of variables, could improve the chart in represending what is populair within CTG instead of what is downloaded the most.
Just a few thoughts..
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