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Kevin Zhan
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Nifflas, your prediction about the Iraq War was nothing special. I had the same prediction and I was 14. Just because our country acted hastily into war does not mean the entire country supports it. I've always been against it, from the very beginning. The reason why polls are continuously showing an increase of disapproval against the war is because most Americans are not seeing an end in sight. The steady rise in American casualties with a lack of result would demoralize any country involved. As an American, I can proudly say I disagree and strongly disapprove of 90% of the decisions from the Bush Administration. I'm really looking forward to casting my vote in 2008 and getting someone more capable and logical in office.
To answer Sonus' question, I think scrutiny of the word sensitive may lead to nowhere. Twilight probably just used the wrong word to get his message across.
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Kevin Zhan
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Sorry for the double post, but I'd just like to express that I have a greater sense of respect for the maturity of this community. I'm impressed that so far there have not been any flaming or cursing. I love you all :-)
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DJ Twilight
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Kevin Zhan wrote on 24 Apr. (18:29) :
Nifflas, your prediction about the Iraq War was nothing special. I had the same prediction and I was 14. Just because our country acted hastily into war does not mean the entire country supports it. I've always been against it, from the very beginning. The reason why polls are continuously showing an increase of disapproval against the war is because most Americans are not seeing an end in sight. The steady rise in American casualties with a lack of result would demoralize any country involved. As an American, I can proudly say I disagree and strongly disapprove of 90% of the decisions from the Bush Administration. I'm really looking forward to casting my vote in 2008 and getting someone more capable and logical in office.
To answer Sonus' question, I think scrutiny of the word sensitive may lead to nowhere. Twilight probably just used the wrong word to get his message across.
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Exactly. For both your first and second paragraph. Nifflas, this is coming down to Europeans and Americans again. As a European (I'm not saying every European) you assumed that because we (the U.S.) went to war, that everyone supported it from the start (well not everybody but the majority). The truth of the matter is that many people like myself did not want to go to war from the beginning and if it means anything to you. I (like Kevin) hate the Bush administration with a passion (looking at him just makes me laugh) but the reason he has kept his leadership for so long is the fear he manipulates with the "Global Struggle Against Extremisim" (*cough*...the War Against Terorrism...*cough*) by the fear that we may be hit by another 9-11 at any moment. As well as the fact that the majority of people who vote in the U.S. are on the older spectrum and vote conservatively (we have to defend our Christian values!) My grandparents are a prime example of this, who vote conservatively no matter who runs which is just stupid in my mind.
I'm not sure who said it earlier, but yes, democracy is supposed to a conglomerate of ideas, but I don't think that means I should just immediately incorporate every idea I come by. As well as I don't think I should take an opinion which has less or equal knowledge on the topic as me (like...they know the same stuff as me and I possibly have a few more sources and knowledge on the topic). Anyway, the majority of the Europeans talking on this issue (I'm not including Nifflas but A LOT of people have acknowledged throughout this argument about media sources) are only informed by the simple-minded media. GUESS WHAT, I've seen that EXACT same simple-minded media as you, but GUESS WHAT ELSE!, I live here! So let's see, you have the media, I have the exact same media but I live in the environment were discussing as well...I'd have to say that I feel I know a little more about the topic...
I'm not dissing Europeans, I'm just angry of some Europeans telling me about policies they don't fully understand (not because their stupid, but because they just don't truly understand the situation as well as they'd like to think they do.)
And after reviewing Nifflas' argument, I would have to say that you can't really talk about gun policy unless you're talking about what country (and from where the speaker who is debating the topic is from). We've been influenced from our environment from the moment we were born, ALL OF US, and this can't be taken out of consideration.
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benefit of the boomerang
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Replies: 1886
Registered: 01.Jan.03 |
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I can see why the US gun policy is a sensitive issue. When I compare it to
other infamous policies, like the Dutch abortion- and drugpolicies, they are
also considered sensitive by a lot of people.
A mother aborting a child is considered murder in a lot of other countries, while
I believe that it is for the better of mother AND child on the long run and with me,
the Dutch government agrees and it is legal here. Same with softdrugs, it is
strictly forbidden in all other European countries, except in Holland. I can't even
say why, except it makes me happy. This is a sensitive issue for France, because
a lot of youngsters come here to get their dope. A 17 year old girl died a few weeks
ago because she jumped off a bridge after eating shrooms.
I can see why the US government wouldn't want to mess with people's right to
own an uzi, as much as my government wouldn't want to mess with my right to
carry and use grass, pot, shrooms and herbals.
On the other hand, I still haven't read an acceptable theory on the whole WHY
something as an extreme massmurder in a school happens only the US. Maybe
just a matter of time before some Spanish, or Norwegian, Russian, Chinese kid
grabs a butcherknife and chops up a few classmates?
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kilon
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Registered: 09.Jul.05 |
 
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Provos
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Same with softdrugs, it is
strictly forbidden in all other European countries, except in Holland |
Interestingly enough, this is due to the dutch "Provos," a radical extremist group which provoked violent confrontations through non-violent means... I honestly had no idea about that until about a year ago 
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Nifflas
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I never said that any of you debating here supported the war or the Bush administration. I'm fully aware of that a whole lot of people in America never supported the war. Also there were plenty of people in Europe who did support it. However, this is a bit irrelevant: The actual point I tried (and failed?) to make was really nothing more than "I've been completely right before about something that would happen in America, despite that I'm not American, and I was told the same thing back then too, so I'm not gonna buy the argument this time either", and nothing I said had any actual relevance to this debate except that I do sometimes understand things about a country I do not live in. The only thing I guess I should take back or change from my last post is the word "majority" into "many".
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GUESS WHAT, I've seen that EXACT same simple-minded media as you, but GUESS WHAT ELSE!, I live here! So let's see, you have the media, I have the exact same media but I live in the environment were discussing as well...I'd have to say that I feel I know a little more about the topic... |
I live in an environment where society has been able to prevent this from happening despite that we probably have just as many psychologically unstable people living here, so I definitely think we hold a bit of the answer too.
But anyway, to explain why I have my opinions about the gun debate: Years back, I had a classmate who once he got an idea really couldn't stop himself from doing it. He did in fact not appear very unstable, but one day when he was provoked by some guy, he attacked him with a knife, and chased him over a distance of two kilometers through the central parts of our town before he got caught. Of course he wasn't allowed to go to our school again after that event. I can't help but wonder what would have happened if he had access to a gun rather than a knife, and having a guy like that in my own class sort of confirms my knowledge about that a lot of dangerous people do not plan their actions, they just have no self control and suddenly do something. In such situations, they can only get as dangerous as the weapons they're carrying.
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And after reviewing Nifflas' argument, I would have to say that you can't really talk about gun policy unless you're talking about what country (and from where the speaker who is debating the topic is from). We've been influenced from our environment from the moment we were born, ALL OF US, and this can't be taken out of consideration. |
Of course I can. I would have been against guns no matter which country we were debating about. The reason I brought up all the other stuff was because you were like "You Europeans doesn't understand the complexity of this", like you could disregard every point I was trying to make because my place of birth. That made me quite upset, and I wanted to make some comparisons to prove that I have been right before too.
Anyways, I'm getting too much into this debate, and lose valuable time I need for game development. I'll try to stay out of it from now and on...
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kilon
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Registered: 09.Jul.05 |
Nifflas dare to say:
Anyways, I'm getting too much into this debate, and lose valuable time I need for game development. I'll try to stay out of it from now and on... |
I just finished your game Knytt, and I have to agree you need to stop wasting time with these nonsense topics and go back to developing very extra cool games like Knytt. Possibly Knytt 2 ???
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benefit of the boomerang
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Registered: 01.Jan.03 |
Provos wrote on 25 Apr. (1:57) :
Same with softdrugs, it is
strictly forbidden in all other European countries, except in Holland |
Interestingly enough, this is due to the dutch "Provos," a radical extremist group which provoked violent confrontations through non-violent means... I honestly had no idea about that until about a year ago
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Haha, they weren't radical extremists. They were hippies, having happenings in
various places throghout the country to show their political ideas, which were more
like a lifestyle anyways. But the Provo's (comes from progressive) did awesome
things for this country, although values established back in the 60's are being erased
as we speak. Goddamn righties.
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tyr
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botb wrote on 25 Apr. (9:41) :
Provos wrote on 25 Apr. (1:57) :
Same with softdrugs, it is
strictly forbidden in all other European countries, except in Holland |
Interestingly enough, this is due to the dutch "Provos," a radical extremist group which provoked violent confrontations through non-violent means... I honestly had no idea about that until about a year ago
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Haha, they weren't radical extremists. They were hippies, having happenings in
various places throghout the country to show their political ideas, which were more
like a lifestyle anyways. But the Provo's (comes from progressive) did awesome
things for this country, although values established back in the 60's are being erased
as we speak. Goddamn righties.
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You forget that hippies are radical extremists in America, hell, even most European politicians would be called commies and possibly thrown in jail (at least in the times of Carter) if they lived in America, at the very least they would be ridiculed severely. |
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